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 Posted:   Sep 26, 2010 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



I sure can. Soundtracks have a strong but small niche market. I haven't noticed all that many labels doing the same with exotica at this point.


Several of the soundtrack composers whose work has been reissued as pricey, limited edition releases are virtually unknown outside of that market.

Les Baxter has appeal to soundtrack fans, but also to various listeners whose tastes encompass exotica, postwar instrumental pop, and jazz. So, a Les Baxter exotica box set would potentially reach a more diverse and possibly larger audience.

If you haven't been there yet, check out dustygroove.com and see which FSM titles are stocked there and which are not.

And incidentally, there happens to be a large revival of tiki culture that grew out of the whole lounge scene of the 1990s. Just because you "haven't noticed" something happening doesn't mean it's not there.

As I've said before, specialty labels are only hurting themselves if they have no clue about what is going ouside of their incestuous little world.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2010 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   Carcosa   (Member)



I sure can. Soundtracks have a strong but small niche market. I haven't noticed all that many labels doing the same with exotica at this point.


Several of the soundtrack composers whose work has been reissued as pricey, limited edition releases are virtually unknown outside of that market.

Les Baxter has appeal to soundtrack fans, but also to various listeners whose tastes encompass exotica, postwar instrumental pop, and jazz. So, a Les Baxter exotica box set would potentially reach a more diverse and possibly larger audience.

If you haven't been there yet, check out dustygroove.com and see which FSM titles are stocked there and which are not.

And incidentally, there happens to be a large revival of tiki culture that grew out of the whole lounge scene of the 1990s. Just because you "haven't noticed" something happening doesn't mean it's not there.

As I've said before, specialty labels are only hurting themselves if they have no clue about what is going ouside of their incestuous little world.


I am aware of the "tiki" revival and it isn't all that huge. I was there for the 1990's lounge-thing and bought most of the Scamp-Denny and Ryko-Lyman discs as well. Not much of a groundswell movement. Ryko appears to have given up as the Lyman albums are now showing up as 2-fers from Collector's Choice.

I think the soundtrack labels do just fine in their niche. In what way is this incestuous exactly?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



I think the soundtrack labels do just fine in their niche. In what way is this incestuous exactly?


Well, maybe "incestuous" wasn't the best word. I have gotten the impression that at least certain producers are interested only in the tiny soundtrack market and either do not understand or do not care about how soundtracks intersect with other genres of music and can potentially reach non-soundtrack listeners.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Why do I get the feeling of "I want it, therefore lots of others want it too, so put it out NOW or I'll scream" about this poster?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

I would say such a box set would be a project for Bear Family. I imagine they could do all exotica recordings Baxter did for Capitol (or maybe even all recordings Baxter did for Capitol?) in chronological order. Usually these Bear family boxes include a wonderful booklet or one should better call it book. The price target would be pretty high, but good things cost something... I'm pretty sure a limited edition of 3000 would be gone within a year. I haven't much time at the moment, but I might ask them sooner or later, if that would be something for them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

I think I'll go to McDonald's tonight and order spaghetti. When they tell me they don't offer spaghetti, I'll tell them they're a bunch of short-sighted idiots who don't see the huge demand for spaghetti from spaghetti fans. I'll let you know how that goes . . .

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

I think I'll go to McDonald's tonight and order spaghetti. When they tell me they don't offer spaghetti, I'll tell them they're a bunch of short-sighted idiots who don't see the huge demand for spaghetti from spaghetti fans. I'll let you know how that goes . . .

lol

Yes, I don't think this is a thing for a soundtrack label, hence I brought Bear Family up. They dealt with the Capitol catalog several times in the past.

@OnyaBirri
Let the soundtrack labels do what they're good at: releasing soundtracks. And I'm really thankful that they got on the Baxter train now. It's really amazing. And I still have a little hope for Baxter's masterpieces USHER, PIT and TALES OF TERROR.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Let the soundtrack labels do what they're good at: releasing soundtracks.


When I'm listening to music, I could care less about the medium for which it was composed. Good soundtracks are better than bad jazz LPs. And vice versa. I listen to music, not soundtracks, so I honestly don't get where you're coming from.

I'm pointing out a gaping hole in the catalog of an artist who composed many, many soundtracks, 9 of which have been released in the past year or so, 4 of which have supposedly sold out. So the notion of a "film score" label releasing what many believe to be the best of his output is so outlandish? This simply does not make sense - especially when they've all just been re-mastered for iTunes.

Which is better, moving 1,000 units to 1,000 soundtrack fans, or moving 1,500 units to a combination of soundtrack fans and beyond?

Sorry that I used a soundtrack-focused message board to express enthusiasm for a composer of soundtracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   henryneill   (Member)

When I'm listening to music, I could care less about the medium for which it was composed. Good soundtracks are better than bad jazz LPs. And vice versa. I listen to music, not soundtracks, so I honestly don't get where you're coming from.


You got me wrong. I completely agree with you on that point, but I was talking about business side (licencing issues etc.). All these soundtrack labels are specialised in doing soundtracks. They just usually don't release other music by any soundtrack composer. I case they do, that's fine with me of course!

I'm just saying, that Bear Family would be better suited for a Baxter Exotica Box.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Sorry that I used a soundtrack-focused message board to express enthusiasm for a composer of soundtracks.

Nobody objects to your enthusiasm for Les Baxter--although I don't think you won any friends by referring to posters on this board as "basement-dwelling celibates who frequent this site and buy obscure CDs that no one cares about." I think people just find your demand that film score specialty labels start releasing non-soundtrack albums that you like to be just a wee bit unreasonable.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

They've released non-soundtrack albums before - Like Hawaii Five-O and John Williams' mediocre attempt at a space age bachelor pad album, so there are precedents.

From a business perspective, is it any different to license a Capitol album that was just digitized for iTunes if the artist is Mort Stevens rather than Les Baxter?

"Sacred Idol" and "Ports of Pleasure" both feature music composed for films.

I have diverse taste in music, and I don't assume that I am alone in that category.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



You got me wrong. I completely agree with you on that point, but I was talking about business side (licencing issues etc.). All these soundtrack labels are specialised in doing soundtracks. They just usually don't release other music by any soundtrack composer. I case they do, that's fine with me of course!

I'm just saying, that Bear Family would be better suited for a Baxter Exotica Box.


Understood. Someone should put this out. I don't care which music is on which labels.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Carcosa   (Member)



You got me wrong. I completely agree with you on that point, but I was talking about business side (licencing issues etc.). All these soundtrack labels are specialised in doing soundtracks. They just usually don't release other music by any soundtrack composer. I case they do, that's fine with me of course!

I'm just saying, that Bear Family would be better suited for a Baxter Exotica Box.


Understood. Someone should put this out. I don't care which music is on which labels.


I would love to see a Baxter set as well...just to be clear. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRSCN0Ajn0

Sorry... it was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the subject line.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 8:30 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

They've released non-soundtrack albums before - Like Hawaii Five-O and John Williams' mediocre attempt at a space age bachelor pad album, so there are precedents.

Hawaii Five-O most definitely falls under the "soundtrack album" category, but FSM did release that Jarre concert works CD, which isn't soundtrack related.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2010 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

And Rhythm In Motion wasn't released by itself but as a two-fer with Williams's soundtrack album for Checkmate.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2010 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   sdtom   (Member)

I wonder what would be involved in doing this ourselves. Would Bruce have an interest? I have some of the material in various forms such as lp, cd, and even a reel to reel.
Thomas

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

*Bump* A "Tropical Island" mood has taken hold of me as of late...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   KT   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 3, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Amazon is selling "imported" box sets of Baxter's exotica albums by a label called "Real Gone Jazz." They have many such sets, mostly of jazz artists (surprise). I can't attest as to their quality (or legitimacy):

www.amzn.com/B005I4ULK2

 
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