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 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I keep my wish list in my SAE account up to date with CDs I'm likely to want. So far I've not managed to reduce it to zero, there's always a few CDs in there that I can add to a specific release to help get the figure up to GBP 135. However, I'd prefer not to have to work that way, especially as my income is down due to reduced hours while this Covid pandemic is still a major problem.

Elsewise, does the GBP 135 include the postage?


How do you cope with the $50 per order extra charge to ship to UK on top of the shipping charge ?.

And No, the GBP135 excludes charges.


If you mean the extra charge that SAE offers the option to add for 'insurance' (?) then I don't pay it. I've made several orders without it since they introduced it, and none have gone missing yet (touch wood).

I'm surprised the postage wouldn't be included, I thought it used to be, though I stand to be corrected. Maybe that's changed since the new law was brought in...?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Shipping cost should be included in the customs value and at least in the EU you should pay import VAT on the shipping costs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Shipping cost should be included in the customs value and at least in the EU you should pay import VAT on the shipping costs.

That's another shitty thing . I can understand items incurring changes. It's not as if you can put the postage in your cd player.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

As far as the VAT charge is concerned it does not include any postage, just the CD's cost. If you order from a company within the UK it would never include postage charges.

Customs charges are I believe totally separate.

I think the idea is that almost any package would incur VAT (unless the seller indicates that VAT has been levied) also Customs charges and a handling charge. A triple whammy that would dwarf previous costs.

If I'm wrong on any of this I will be pleasantly surprised.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

As far as the VAT charge is concerned it does not include any postage, just the CD's cost. If you order from a company within the UK it would never include postage charges.

Customs charges are I believe totally separate.

I think the idea is that almost any package would incur VAT (unless the seller indicates that VAT has been levied) also Customs charges and a handling charge. A triple whammy that would dwarf previous costs.

If I'm wrong on any of this I will be pleasantly surprised.


I believe that the VAT charge is the customs charge. So, if ordering over £135 you should be asked to pay 20% VAT plus courier handling charge before they will deliver you parcel.

Under £135 the seller should charge the VAT, declare it’s been paid on the customs form and then the parcel will just get delivered with no handling charges.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

--- EDIT (I should have read the entire text before posting) ---

non-official information for EU countries from https://www.tariffnumber.com/info/customs-duties

"Customs charges:
( ( Value of goods + Shipping Costs ) * Customs Duties ) * Import Turnover Tax"

"The accounting value is decisive for determining the value limit. Additions or deductions are not made. Therefore, shipping costs have to be included, if they are included in the invoice."

"Shipping cost exception: In the case of non-commercial goods imports, the shipping costs are not to be included, unless these are included in the customs value of the customs declaration (form CN22 / CN23 / C1) or otherwise declared in writing or verbally."

The UK could handle this differently from 01.01.2021 on.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I thought postage attracted VAT in the U.K. Seems from this that I'm right: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications--books-magazines-and-newspapers

Edit: There are variations. For instance, there are cases where you will be charged zero VAT on the postage if the thing being posted doesn't attract VAT: books and other printed matter that otherwise have a zero rate for VAT.

Edit: This link might be worth a look for us too: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad, and this one: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-directly-to-customers-in-the-uk

Edit: I suppose it sums up the confustion that in the first of the links in that last paragraph the GBP 15 exemption is still treated as being active, while in the second it's explicitly mentioned that it's been removed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

So if the £15 minimum is no more, then you could be charged Vat on £1+ the handling fee(8.50)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

So if the £15 minimum is no more, then you could be charged Vat on £1+ the handling fee(8.50)

No. The seller has to collect the VAT on orders up to 150GBP, not the postal or courier service.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

So if the £15 minimum is no more, then you could be charged Vat on £1+ the handling fee(8.50)

No. The seller has to collect the VAT on orders up to 150GBP, not the postal or courier service.


Oh.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

So if the £15 minimum is no more, then you could be charged Vat on £1+ the handling fee(8.50)

No. The seller has to collect the VAT on orders up to 150GBP, not the postal or courier service.


Oh.


If it's below £135 and the VAT has not been collected by the seller the parcel will be returned - not delivered.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2021 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Thank you Martin. The limit is 135GBP and not 150GBP. Sorry!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2021 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   paulw   (Member)

This happened here in New Zealand about a year ago. From memory any foreign company selling to NZ customers who do more than $60 grand (I think) worth of business selling to NZ customers over the net have to collect GST (sales tax) at the point of sale and then ship this to NZ. Companies under the threshold just send and the buyer takes their chances as to whether it gets picked up by customs and GST charged.
Since this came into effect the only Amazon store we can use is the US store as we are treated as another state for tax purposes. Other Amazon stores won't ship here as they don't have any mechanism to charge different tax rates. You can use Amazon UK and use a reshipper but you have to pay UK VAT and then NZ GST on top of that so not worth it for the likes of CDs and movies. .

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2021 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Sabreman   (Member)

Has anyone in the UK placed an order with La La Land, Screen Archives, MovieMusic or Intrada since January 1st? If so, what happened to the order?

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The death of the physical soundtrack CD will not be digital trends, it will be crippling postage fees and extortionate ransom notes, I mean tax demands with punitive admin fees added on.

Right now I'm at the tipping point of saying I'm done with CDs, let's go digital.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Has anyone in the UK placed an order with La La Land, Screen Archives, MovieMusic or Intrada since January 1st? If so, what happened to the order?

I order X-FILES Vol. 3 and 4 last Thursday and it's currently on its way to me. LLL orders are usually here within a week but it took a month for TREMORS to arrive so not sure when I'll get these.

FYI, I ordered a couple of blu-rays from WOWHD and I got a seperate VAT invoice along with my confirmation e-mail, which is a new thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

With everybody in a state of "WTF is going on?" at the moment, I imagine things won't change overnight, so orders from USA will come in as usual and possibly be subject to handling fees/customs charges, but not everything will get tagged.
Who knows, maybe things will revert back to the 90s/2000s, when every CD parcel I received was a 'Gift/Sample of Merchandise' wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

My purchases of physical product are now minimal. I'll always go for downloads and streaming when available.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2021 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

On the upside, when CDs are no more and everything exists in a virtual world, I'll never spend another penny.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2021 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Back on this thorny subject, but specifically re: UK imports from the EU, I caught an article on this morning's BBC R4 Today programme which provided some clarification.

In summary: Gifts up the value of GBP39.00 - no import VAT or duty (and hence no handling charge)

From GBP39.00 - 135.00 - VAT levied at UK rate (typically 20%) + handling charge
Above GBP135.00 - Duty (variable 0% - 25% dependent upon product) + VAT + handling charge. (I believe VAT is payable on any Duty levied; the Handling charge may also be VATable)

Not specified was non-gifts (i.e. commercial purchase) below GBP39.00 (but do bear in mind that a package marked as Gift when is not, is fraud)

Before the tax specialist spoke, a lady who had sought to buy clothes (from EU retailers) was surprised to find additional charges were due and hence refused to accept the goods.

The article referred to the Government's Tariff Checker Website but said it is not easy to use! In conclusion the tax specialist suggested that "EU Business - UK Consumer" sales will come to a stop ... until some of these rules are eased

Regretfully, no mention of CDs generally or Soundtracks smile

If you want to listen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rdkj - starting at 16'15"
Tax specialist: https://www.uhy-uk.com/uhy-people/michelle-dale
Government website: https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff

Note that CDs ordered and paid for pre 01 Jan 21 should be treated for delivery under the previous rules but how this could be determined when the package arrives later this month may not be as easy as saying to the delivery man: I bought this last year ... there's no VAT, etc. to pay! smile
Mitch

 
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