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 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I understand wanting to give the show a western vibe but this score is so utterly disappointing. It's noisy, distracting and doesn't compliment anything. It actually calls negative attention to itself, which is NEVER good.

The end credit theme is fine, I guess, but the rest, especially from Goransson, whose work I love, well... this might very well be some of the worst Star Wars music ever composed.

-Erik-





Holy crap, that was...um, crap big grin

I'm guessing they wanted something "edgy" ? It doesn't have to sound like Williams, but this was just noisy and shrill, full of bloops and big loud sound design. Yes, easily the worst Star Wars music to date. And just bad film score music.

One track "You Are A Mandalorian" had some good moments, but that's it.

This taught me a lesson. I guess the days of blind buying Star Wars music are gone.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

Oh man, the last cut, "The Mandalorian," is perfecto. Perfectly comfortable in the Star Wars musical world. The big brass surge around the 2-minute mark feels like a tribute to Williams' style. I'd give it a Grammy nom for best instrumental composition. Big and memorable.

The rest of the score? Meh. As always, I'll have to watch it and see how impactful the music is. But I'm encouraged that the series seems to be in good musical hands.

-

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   igger6   (Member)

I’m with Erik 100 percent. We just got our Zimmer Star Wars score. I thought after CREED and BLACK PANTHER that Goransson could do anything, but it turns out he can only do things that sound like CREED or BLACK PANTHER. The bridge of the main theme is distractingly similar to his admirable Conti homage from those films, but it took me out of the show (which was otherwise flawless; seriously, why couldn’t Favreau have entered this universe in 2015?). The credits sounded OK, and maybe there will be growth, but yeah—huge letdown musically.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Horrible.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Why can't they just give Star Wars fans what they want? A fully orchestrated thematic score that not only represents Star Wars but its serial origins. The general audience don't care about the music so write it for those that do. Why Hollywood continually writes down for the normies is beyond me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

You lot are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy as far as music fans go. A never-ending dirge of complaints that your opinion outweighs the notion that not all music is for made for you. Many of you should be so wise as to never listen to music again.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

First impression: oh, no, why so much noise and distortion?

Second impression: well, it´s different... and it does create an interesting atmosphere.

Third impression: it is new, it is daring, it is not like Williams-Star Wars but how can it be? And would that actually be better? No, because then people would say: it´s just fake Williams, not as good, and it just tiresomely recreates the overused sound instead of trying for something new! When will a Star Wars score finally be different?

Yeah, expectations and personal taste always get in the way of actually experiencing what is offered.

So... yes. I like it.

Only - will Disney release every score now for that steep price? 10.99 Euros for every episode, that will be tough.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2019 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

I'm wondering how D+ will handle video releases. I don't doubt that Lady & the Tramp will receive one, but still hoping I don't need a subscription just to see these shows at all (I'm not cutting cable just to rejoin the New Cable that is the Streaming Epoch). Guess I'll have to be spoiled on plot details as this series goes (no doubt with some tertiary connection to the Resistance trilogy to satisfy the fanons).

As for releasing a score EP per episode: That would be the screwiest release schedule I've ever heard in all of soundtrackdom, and can only add "WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG, HOLLYWOOD??". Mondo Records is probably salivating now...

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 12:22 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

This Vol 1 is a joke ?
Bring back John Powell !

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Talos   (Member)

Talgorn or McNeely, i would have hired one of them. No one else, besides Williams.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

The end credit theme is fine, I guess, but the rest, especially from Goransson, whose work I love, well... this might very well be some of the worst Star Wars music ever composed.

Agree 100%, worst SW music ever. This sounds like "we don't give a shit about 40 years of tradition". And so we finally reached the point when the music of a whole generation has been destroyed in agony. Sad.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

The end credit theme is fine, I guess, but the rest, especially from Goransson, whose work I love, well... this might very well be some of the worst Star Wars music ever composed.

Agree 100%, worst SW music ever. This sounds like "we don't give a shit about 40 years of tradition". And so we finally reached the point when the music of a whole generation has been destroyed in agony. Sad.


How? Has the composer destroyed the scores of the previous films?

Oh, the drama of whiners who cannot stand anything but their own taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   BrandonJF72   (Member)

I’m with Erik 100 percent. We just got our Zimmer Star Wars score. I thought after CREED and BLACK PANTHER that Goransson could do anything, but it turns out he can only do things that sound like CREED or BLACK PANTHER. The bridge of the main theme is distractingly similar to his admirable Conti homage from those films, but it took me out of the show (which was otherwise flawless; seriously, why couldn’t Favreau have entered this universe in 2015?). The credits sounded OK, and maybe there will be growth, but yeah—huge letdown musically.

I agree - it was very odd for "Star Wars". When the Mandalorian was learning to ride one of those creatures, I was thinking "why is this music reminding me of a Rocky training montage?" Then I saw Goransson's name in the credits and went "ohhhhhhh!" And Apollo Creed was even in it, too!

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

How? Has the composer destroyed the scores of the previous films?

With ease and mediocrity, unfortunately. And it's sad when people cheer a lame approach. Plus you don't get the point. The enfasis isn't on the previous scores but on the traditional style they have established and the important continuity that style represent.

It's OK to develop or upgrade the music material, push bold instrumentation, different arrangements, etc. But fundaments are the key and if you scratch them completely (as in this case) then what you have is anything else but the proper result.

Oh, the drama of whiners who cannot stand anything but their own taste.

Wrong again. It's not a matter of what you, me, or anyone likes or not. It's a matter of defined frames: if you make a SW thing then people expect it to sound like SW (same if you make Bond, or any other franchise which have endured so long in time).

We've been discussing this so many times before that I'm already tired to repeat it. Being different doesn't mean being better, just for the sake of because it's different. There are many forms to be outstanding and respect what came before at the same time.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

For once, I agree with batman&robin and other critical voices in this thread. Outside a couple of brief moments, this was rather terrible. Then again, I didn't like the CREEDs or BLACK PANTHER either. I think Göransson is the new Giacchino, unfortunately -- all "Emperor's New Clothes" (to be fair, I liked this considerably more than the disastrous ROGUE ONE score).

However, the episode itself was pretty good. Very promising start.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


We've been discussing this so many times before that I'm already tired to repeat it. Being different doesn't mean being better, just for the sake of because it's different. There are many forms to be outstanding and respect what came before at the same time.


Amen!

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Did you guys watch the show, or just listen to the album? Because I haven't listened to the album yet, but I thought the music fit the tone and action of the show like a glove. There wasn't a lot of adventure or derring-do (at least thus far) to necessitate big flouncy Star Wars brass.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

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 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm wondering how D+ will handle video releases. I don't doubt that Lady & the Tramp will receive one, but still hoping I don't need a subscription just to see these shows at all (I'm not cutting cable just to rejoin the New Cable that is the Streaming Epoch). Guess I'll have to be spoiled on plot details as this series goes (no doubt with some tertiary connection to the Resistance trilogy to satisfy the fanons).

As for releasing a score EP per episode: That would be the screwiest release schedule I've ever heard in all of soundtrackdom, and can only add "WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG, HOLLYWOOD??". Mondo Records is probably salivating now...


Disney doesn't release any of its television shows on Blu Ray. They do (did?) release them on streaming platforms like iTunes. But now that everyone is a competitor I don't know if you will be able to buy the series in HD in any format.

 
 Posted:   Nov 13, 2019 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Did you guys watch the show, or just listen to the album? Because I haven't listened to the album yet, but I thought the music fit the tone and action of the show like a glove. There wasn't a lot of adventure or derring-do (at least thus far) to necessitate big flouncy Star Wars brass.

Yes, I first experienced the score in context. IMO, it was distracting. But that just me who found that open cue with that repetitive flute line to be extremely annoying. And then when the action started we got THE most generic modern-day trailer-esque distorted synths and pounding drums, which does NOT move the Star Wars musical palette forward. It actually takes it a few steps back, unfortunately.

I get wanted to go for that "western" vibe but I don't think Goransson succeeded because he called so much negative attention to his score. And then when it did get more "traditional" it sounded like a second rate Bill Conti theme. And the mix is sooo incredibly dry.

I really like most of what I've heard from Goransson so far (his Creed and Black Panther scores are excellent) but his Star Wars music, IMO, is a major disappointment.

Having said that, let see where this sound goes and if it evolves. We are only one episode in and hopefully Goransson's music grows as the series moves on. So far, however, I honestly feel like episode one contains some of the worst Star Wars music ever written.

-Erik-

 
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