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 Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • The nostalgia bug has finally hit the film score fan community. As long as I hear something I love from the past its all peaches and cream. Amazing!

    This depends on context. When needledropping is used to imbue a sense of nostalgia, then it's a bit suspect, but if used to give new meaning to the scene and music at once, I say go for it. Frankly, there might be a bit much of stringent gatekeeping regarding whether it counts as nostalgia or not.

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     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 4:19 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    it's the OPPOSITE of lazy; a progressive, active move to let the music have a more pronounced presence in the fictional universe.

    wow! so many years listening to and collecting film music, defending composers' views, personalities, intended scores, fights between composers and sound designers or producers messing with the scores... and the day when we say that about TEMP-TRACKING has come smile

    I presume you people loved Vertigo's use in THE ARTIST and things like that

    anyway, did you see the series? So we can talk properly... Take two intro scenes. Ep 1 with Julia Roberts as a kind of psychiatrist with a patient and we hear ... DRESSED TO KILL erotic theme? Ep 5 with Roberts entering a mall for some purchase of makeups and we hear... BODY DOUBLE (again that erotic touch with the voices...). And so on for 30 different scores. Where's the narrative? Are we just in for the mood?


    The nostalgia bug has finally hit the film score fan community. As long as I hear something I love from the past its all peaches and cream. Amazing!


    Serious question - would you prefer the bland noodlings this would get instead?

    I commented on this earlier. No, I don't prefer needle dropping over bland noodling. Neither are desirable.

     
     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 5:03 PM   
     By:   spielboy   (Member)

    it's actually 1:1 aspecto ratio... quite jarring, yeah, specially for the long running time... but in episode 9 (I think) they "explain" it in a WONDERFUL trick


    When needledropping is used to imbue a sense of nostalgia, then it's a bit suspect, but if used to give new meaning to the scene and music at once, I say go for it.


    but if that "new meaning" is because you recognize the cue and the original movie... isnt that nostalgia too (kind of)?

    is DRESSED TO CUE opening cue adding a "new meaning" to the scene??

    was Hason's symphony peace in ALIEN nice? sure... but made any dramatic and narrative sense along with Goldsmith score? I dont think so

     
     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 6:14 PM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    In general I really don't like the idea of "lifting" sections of an artists work and incorporating into something else. Would anyone be okay with lifting passages from a classic novel and placing it in another novel? Or cutting and pasting portions of a classic painting into another painting?

     
     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 7:25 PM   
     By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

    In general I really don't like the idea of "lifting" sections of an artists work and incorporating into something else. Would anyone be okay with lifting passages from a classic novel and placing it in another novel? Or cutting and pasting portions of a classic painting into another painting?

    Those are works that are an end unto themselves, whereas a film score is accompanying images onscreen. It could be considered similar to using music composed for a ballet, such as The Nutcracker, and placing that music against onscreen images that have no connection to the ballet itself.

     
     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 7:44 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Tom is correct.
    In fact many ballets and dance performances use pre-existing music. Not to mention ice skating routines.
    Brm

     
     Posted:   Nov 9, 2018 - 7:48 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    btw i haven't seen the show so why am i commenting?

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2018 - 2:26 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Music supervisor interview on AV-TV-cLUB.com

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2018 - 2:28 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    I didn't like VERTIGO in THE ARTIST.
    Otherwise a fine film and score.

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2018 - 3:18 PM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • but if that "new meaning" is because you recognize the cue and the original movie... isnt that nostalgia too (kind of)?

    is DRESSED TO CUE opening cue adding a "new meaning" to the scene??

    was Hason's symphony peace in ALIEN nice? sure... but made any dramatic and narrative sense along with Goldsmith score? I dont think so


    That's why the accusation of nostalgia is shaky ground at best. Individual experiences/COUGHdictatesCOUGH may indicate preference, but they're not universal by any means. I was introduced to certain works due to needledropping, but due to listening to film scores outside of the films, I'm not obliged to recall instances in certain works (sometimes even if I tried really hard).

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     Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 11:34 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Three eps in....
    The music is great. Only a few cues were recognized.
    The show is intriguing but frustrating...so far.
    Brm

     
     Posted:   Nov 21, 2018 - 11:47 PM   
     By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

    I just finished up the series and I enjoyed the needle drop score. Just like Lukas, I thought it was fun to hear some of my old favorite scores get used in a new way. Sometimes it was downright eerie how well the cues worked for their particular scene. I particularly loved when "All The President's Men" played as Shea Wigham's DOD investigator escalates the complaint and prepares to leave his job and the camera pulls back from the cubicle warren. Works perfectly.

    There are good needle drop scores and bad ones and this was one of the good ones. Lighten up, people. This technique has been in use since the movie business began. Silent movies were accompanied by old classical and popular saws...original scores were rare. Early scores were more often pastiches of familiar tunes than truly original. It's hard to find a Max Steiner score that doesn't have quotes from some old melody. Thousands of movies and TV shows over the years have been scored with library music and cues from the studio's library of music from other movies. It's a time-honored tradition. Hell, Kritzerland even released a "score" CD of "I Married A Monster From Outer Space" which is entirely tracked and library music. And it's a fun listen.

     
     Posted:   Nov 22, 2018 - 10:27 AM   
     By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

    Whether the use of needle drops is right or wrong, it doesn't surprise me this is happening, and I have a feeling we are going to see more of this nostalgic repurposing of older film music.

    It started happening in the 90s, with Scorsese's Cape Fear, and has been growing over the past couple of decades -- most notably with Tarantino, but again with Scorsese in Casino (where he used old movie themes by Delerue and Bernstein) and the use of Herrmann's Vertigo in The Artist.

    I imagine the producer of this series looks at the kind of film music that was being written 40-50 years ago, and compares it to the power chords, loops, drones, and temptrack pastiches (which today's composers are force to write), and can't help but notice which is more interesting.

     
     Posted:   Nov 22, 2018 - 10:27 AM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    What was the piece that sounded like BIRD WITH ...PLUMAGE?? "La..la...,"

     
     Posted:   Nov 22, 2018 - 12:44 PM   
     By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

    What was the piece that sounded like BIRD WITH ...PLUMAGE?? "La..la...,"

    You're probably thinking of Klute.

    Lukas

     
     Posted:   Nov 22, 2018 - 2:41 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    What was the piece that sounded like BIRD WITH ...PLUMAGE?? "La..la...,"

    You're probably thinking of Klute.

    Lukas


    Thanks.
    I used to own the FSM cd. Shoulda kept it!
    Brm

     
     Posted:   Nov 22, 2018 - 11:26 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    I didn't like VERTIGO in THE ARTIST.
    Otherwise a fine film and score.


    Here also.
    The Seventies suspense cues work . Hermann doesn't (DTEST is an exception. ).

    Didn't like the Donaggio cues either.

     
     Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 11:08 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Finished.
    Liked it.
    Check it out!
    Brm

     
     Posted:   Nov 23, 2018 - 11:19 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    Maybe the cost of getting Julia Roberts meant they couldn't afford original music.

    Ha.
    When Basil Wrathbone left the SHERLOCK HOLMES RADIO SHOW the producers upgraded the music from organ to full orchestra!

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 27, 2018 - 4:20 AM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    Just finished the show. It's pretty good (and I absolutely LOVE the needle-drop approach here), but the "conspiracy" itself is rather lacklustre and un-exciting, so it kinda goes out on a low note. But hopefully, they'll manage to expand the mythology further in a second season.

     
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