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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

EDIT:
It is like all the river fishes here are in the deep ocean and upset about an encounter with a shark, mr shark
smile


Lol.

I don't swim upstream to FSM too often these days, but when I do, it's for a damn good reason!

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

New performance of the newly-expanded Prelude and Scherzo for Piano and Orchestra with pianist Gloria Cheng.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

I love this. If his new Piano Concerto is going to be like this I'll be over the moon.

To me, it's the most "Williams" of his concert works, as in I can hear his action move writing coming through.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I love this. If his new Piano Concerto is going to be like this I'll be over the moon.

To me, it's the most "Williams" of his concert works, as in I can hear his action move writing coming through.


I agree! IMAGES comes quickly to mind as well, but what I love are the little jazz influences you can detect here and there. Sounds like the Johnny Williams who wrote "Prelude and Fugue" for Stan Kenton's "Neophonic Orchestra" in the 1960s.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

Yep. Lots of retro / jazz elements in this one.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Well, it's longer.....

KIDDING!

I am so glad he added the prelude - puts the scherzo in context. May also make it a (somewhat) more appealing choice for concert programming. Both because of the greater lyricism in the prelude, and because more length equals greater desirability for an expensive pianist.

Still in the idiom that feels to some far from his film music, and not crowd-pleasing. But to me it sounds like Williams and no one else. (Would I think that if I didn't know it was Williams - I think I would and it's too late to hear it fresh, but who knows?) I'm a sucker for this kind of thing - embracing the avant-garde but in a broader more musically familiar context. Here's hoping this goes down better for folks this time.

When is this going to get a proper recording? Though I gotta say this recording sounds fantastic! So maybe this could get a release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

Well, it's longer.....

KIDDING!

I am so glad he added the prelude - puts the scherzo in context. May also make it a (somewhat) more appealing choice for concert programming. Both because of the greater lyricism in the prelude, and because more length equals greater desirability for an expensive pianist.

Still in the idiom that feels to some far from his film music, and not crowd-pleasing. But to me it sounds like Williams and no one else. (Would I think that if I didn't know it was Williams - I think I would and it's too late to hear it fresh, but who knows?) I'm a sucker for this kind of thing - embracing the avant-garde but in a broader more musically familiar context. Here's hoping this goes down better for folks this time.

When is this going to get a proper recording? Though I gotta say this recording sounds fantastic! So maybe this could get a release.


Yeah, to me it's surprising that this piece has been so polarizing. To me it sounds most like his film music, and I even loved this kind of stuff as a kid.

Of all his concert pieces this one to me is most likely to be a crowd pleaser, but only the crowd knows for sure. Of all his concert pieces, which would you call a crowd pleaser? We should of course eliminate his film score derived concert pieces.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Of all his concert pieces this one to me is most likely to be a crowd pleaser, but only the crowd knows for sure. Of all his concert pieces, which would you call a crowd pleaser? We should of course eliminate his film score derived concert pieces.

Obviously many of the fanfares. But of the longer concert works, the tuba concerto remains the most 'filmic', IMO. This new "Prelude" is pretty good; more accessible than both "Conversations" and the Scherzo itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Whether we like it or not, his concert works represent his "absolute" musical voice outside the requirements of cinema music.

Whether we feel close to it or not, everything essentially depends on our sensitivity in the end.

It remains - imho - unrelated to the musical technique per se, because we are not all musicologists and educated for judging a work.

Am I touched and impressed by his work for the concert hall? Sometimes yes (Violin concerto 1, For Seiji!, Elegy for Cello and Orchestra, among others), other times certain works leave me really cold, and it's the same for Ennio Morricone.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

It's certainly better than his other classical music, at least for my ears. The prelude sounds very much like Claus Ogerman's classical pieces, and the scherzo is certainly noisy but occasionally fun, especially the Williams frenetic French horns.

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I think the new violin concerto would probably be more appealing to audiences, though not a crowd pleaser in the way of his film themes. But I say that having only heard it in full I think once, so that's a guarded answer. I do think it's more accessible than a lot of his concert music.

Thor, I get your point on the tuba concerto, but I have a hard time thinking that an audience would say - what I really want is a tuba concerto! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2022 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think the new violin concerto would probably be more appealing to audiences, though not a crowd pleaser in the way of his film themes. But I say that having only heard it in full I think once, so that's a guarded answer. I do think it's more accessible than a lot of his concert music.

Thor, I get your point on the tuba concerto, but I have a hard time thinking that an audience would say - what I really want is a tuba concerto! wink


True, but then they listen to it and find that it's basically variations on the Jabba music from STAR WARS. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2022 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Thanks for the link Ed.
As others have noted, it's one of the most 'filmic' classical pieces I've heard by John Williams.
It straddles his score writing a lot more than many other pieces I have or have heard by him.
I especially enjoyed the smoother opening of this new performance, thanks to the added Prelude.
I tend to admire his classical stuff moreover than enjoying it, in contrast to his film scores, which I generally love.
You can certainly hear the technique and quality in their writing and performance, but they can be a bit 'cold fish' when compared to his much warmer and exquisite film music.
But this is a piece I would like to own and hope it might feature on a future classical compilation by him.

 
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