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 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

This looks like a job for a brilliant specialty label to get it right!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

So hoping Lost World does not go the same route. So much for getting the film version tracks if so.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

This looks like a job for a brilliant specialty label to get it right!

You know that this is one of those titles that none of the labels can touch.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


You know that this is one of those titles that none of the labels can touch.


Why?

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)


You know that this is one of those titles that none of the labels can touch.


Why?

-Erik-


The same reasons we will never get expanded Harry Potters or proper Star Wars from one of the labels; it's too big of a film.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

The same reasons we will never get expanded Harry Potters or proper Star Wars from one of the labels; it's too big of a film.

How big was Back To The Future? But in reality it isn't about how big a film is/was... it's about rights, licensing, etc.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

But in reality it isn't about how big a film is/was... it's about rights, licensing, etc.

-Erik-




Truth!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Jason LeBlanc- Thxs for providing all that info on the soundtrack! Lots of great info. Copied and saved to a text file for future reference. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

How big was Back To The Future?

Exactly. It was not that long ago that we would have said "Star Trek" movies, or the "Alien" series, or Pixar movies would be too big. We should not confuse popularity of a film series with popularity of the soundtracks from that series.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)


I really don´t get it. Wouldn´t they want to sell it to as many customers as possible? Do they think outside the US there are no score fans?


You'd think so, but companies are dumb.

Though to be fair, there are often right issues involved. The more syndrome -- they can control the pricing. One of the big reasons for DVD regions was so that people in Japan wouldn't import the cheaper ones from the US.
Even so it's majorly stupid that with NO difference in cost to sell to someone in the US vs in, say, Russia (outside perhaps CC and exchange rate issues) one is limited to "piracy or nothing" just because of where they sit their butt.


Not sure about the hold up being rights issues, the standard edition of JP is available in my country on iTunes. For some reason, Land Before Time and all the other Geffen re-issues of MCA titles are not, along with this 20th anniversary edition of JP.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

It should be noted that this is not simply the original OST with 4 bonus tracks appended to the end.

The ENTIRE CD has been remastered! The original CD was top of the line at the time of it's release but it is amazing what 20 years of advancement in technology can do!

You will note instruments you couldn't hear before in Opening Titles and Dennis Steals the Embryos, for example. Also of note is that Dennis Steals The Embryos no longer crossfades into A Tree For My Bed!

I think they re-built the entire album presentation from scratch from remastered recording session tracks, and didn't just remastered the original album master.


This really needs to be released on physical media or at least lossless downloads! Hopefully something is in the works.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Without a CD or lossless release, I just can't get excited for this.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

The codec apple used to encode sounds really good, honestly.

But yeah, hopefully it will show up on qobuz or HD Tracks soon if no physical release is forthcoming.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

The codec apple used to encode sounds really good, honestly.

But yeah, hopefully it will show up on qobuz or HD Tracks soon if no physical release is forthcoming.


It's not only about sounding good, it's also about having a near perfect copy of the source. With MP3, you are absolutely nowhere near it.

Here's hoping Qobuz or HDtracks can deliver!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I really don´t get it. Wouldn´t they want to sell it to as many customers as possible? Do they think outside the US there are no score fans?

You'd think so, but companies are dumb.


Does anybody here honestly believe that these companies are too clueless to understand that there are billions of potential buyers outside of North America?

Rights issues are real, and often tangled. Contracts on this one are two decades old, and all companies involved have changed hands. Rights for this may have been purchased in any number of ways, and what applied to the original album may not apply for this new release. Without seeing the contract, it's impossible to know. But the "if this, why not that?" argument doesn't really hold water, because every project is different (often not just the soundtrack contract differs, but the rights as divided up for the film, sometimes to secure financing in preproduction).

And the fact is, the studio or label may not know for sure what their rights are, and spending the time and money having their legal department sort it out may simply not be a priority -- not because they don't care, but because resources and time are finite, and other projects are much more lucrative or pressing.

I did a television show a few years ago where we wanted to license a song, and the company we believed to be the rights holder said to us "We know we own the CD rights to this recording, but we're not sure we own the right to license the song for you to perform on your show. And honestly, it will cost us more to have our lawyers research it than you can pay us for the song."

It's complicated. But it's not (generally) stupidity.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

The codec apple used to encode sounds really good, honestly.

But yeah, hopefully it will show up on qobuz or HD Tracks soon if no physical release is forthcoming.


It's not only about sounding good, it's also about having a near perfect copy of the source. With MP3, you are absolutely nowhere near it.

Here's hoping Qobuz or HDtracks can deliver!




They aren't being sold as mp3s though, these are Apple Audio Codec files in M4A containers. The bitrate is high and they sound really good, seriously.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

What's with all the bitching about this release?

Yes it would be nice to have a physical CD release but in the mean time be grateful we got this at all! 11 minutes of previously unreleased music (along with the awesome The T-Rex Chase) is great!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

The best part about this release is that three of the four new tracks - Hungry Raptor, The Coming Storm, and The History Lesson - all contain music that went unused in the film, so has never even been heard before!

Hungry Raptor is one of Williams' craziest action tracks ever!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I'm going to nitpick a bit here. Sorry. But it's just my opinion and this is a film music message board so I thought this would be the best place to discuss such a thing.

I'm not a fan of the remastering of this 20th anniversary release. I've listened to both the original album and this newly expanded album and while the 20th anniversary set is much "louder" I also find that the dynamics are more compressed, especially in the action tracks... if that makes any sense? The action tracks all seem to be all all leveled off robbing the music of its natural dynamic range.

For instance, the big 15 second action burst in "Eye to Eye." Right at the end - the orchestral hit at 5:45. On the original release that's the loudest part of the track but on the 20th anniversary its as loud as the 14 seconds that proceeded it. Even the impact of the finale from "T-Rex Rescue & Finale" - those last 15 seconds of the cue - seemed to loose a little bit of its oomph!

Anyway, this all could be just the way I hear things and I'm sure no one else will notice these things but I think will stick with the original release. With that being said, I'm super happy to have those bonus cues and will tack them onto the end of the original album in iTunes.

I'm getting off my soapbox now... runs in fear!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2013 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Frankly, I'd be wary of judging anything lossy. The whole thing is compressed after all.

 
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