"TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING--I'm fairly sure the existing CD is complete" ------------------------------------- I've said it before, but I'll say it again. The CD release is missing a 20 second coda that comes in after the End Title song fades out. It could not be located when Silva released the CD and considering Joel Goldsmith was involved in the search, I imagine it won't be found anytime soon You may think "Ha, 20 seconds...who cares!?", but it might just be the GREATEST 20 SECONDS OF MUSIC JERRY EVER WROTE!!! Seriously.
I think there may have been a small amount of other music missing but very minimal -- I think when Dell realizes he can't win and doesn't know what to do, when Airforce One lands, when McKenzie is alone drinking after the president is shot, and when O'Rourke is holding the president while waiting for the secretary of defense to arrive.
No. There's a large amount of great material missing. Everything from "Discoveries" to "My Favorite Plague" for example. That's a huge musical gap.
In any case, there aren't tons of scores by him that haven't been expanded that I know well enough to want. Basically the remaining Star Treks. The Mummy (naturally). Small Soldiers. I'm drawing a blank past that. Something else will likely come to me in an hour or so.
Hmm... interesting question. I used to have 2 "grails" -- Shadow and Swarm. Now the first one is available, thank God (Intrada)! But I'll be very happy if some of our beloved labels release some of these Goldsmiths in expanded/complete form:
Ghost and the Darkness -- amazing score! maybe LLL? Congo -- not sure if there is so much music left off the original release Damnation Alley -- why not just re-record the synths et voila! Hollow Man -- plenty of music to make a 2CD set Hoosiers -- Intrada said they are working on this one List of Adrian Messenger -- hope for a Varese Club Reincarnation of Peter Proud -- oh, yes please! Seven Days in May -- paired with the rejected Amram score -- good idea! Lonely Guy -- even the LP program could be Ok Supergirl -- most probably this one will appear as an "Encore" edition The Salamander -- tapes are (tragically) lost? The Swarm -- see above, again plenty of music for a 2CD set
Guys, someone at the Intrada board started a similar thread but they made a table with information much clearly laid out than I accomplished here. I think it totally eclipses my effort, aside from the emphasis in my list on what specialty labels might be likely to put out a release, based on label and studio relationships. Here's what they came up with:
I'm blushing from the praise here! Thanks, Yavar. I think your breakdown is much more detailed, but hopefully the table will be a useful quick reference - if I can keep it up to date as the releases keep coming ...
I thought I'd point out to everyone that a few days ago Conrad recently updated his complete Goldsmith feature scores table over at the Intrada board (linked to just above), and just now I've updated the first post in this thread to reflect some of the replies I've received as well as Varese's The Red Pony, Tadlow/Prometheus's Hour of the Gun complete re-recording, and Intrada's new complete release of Hoosiers. (Plus, who knew The Last Hard Men Goldsmith cues had been re-recorded by Lionel Newman? Wow!) The list has certainly shrunk this past year...here's hoping for more titles getting definitive versions next year! Most of all it'd be great if Die Hard 2 DE meant Varese will start putting out DEs of some of their popular 90s titles (not to mention Star Trek: Nemesis).
"I was invited to these recording sessions, which lasted several days. When Jerry gave the initial downbeat for the first rehearsal of his "End Credits", they began with an incredible - and brand new - fanfare not used anywhere else. There was a technical discrepancy between the score and the individual parts, a pregnant pause while everyone tried to sort things out... and finally a visibly upset composer on the podium shouting directions to his orchestrators (Arthur Morton, Nancy Beach), music editor Ken Hall, director William Shatner (whom I was literally sitting beside), mixer Bruce Botnick sitting back in his booth, you name it. The problem bars were cut and the fanfare was thrown out, never to be heard from again. What an outtake it would be on an expanded album! --Doug"
But while this comment in 2007 makes it sound hopeful that such a take might be possible to include on an expanded release of the score, when Intrada reissued LaLaLand's album in unlimited form this year, it didn't contain any extra outtakes, and in 2011 Doug made the following comment in response to further questioning:
"octalus wrote: Since Doug didn't answer to my thread, i repeat my question here. :wink: Doug, could you elaborate on the alternate STAR TREK V fanfare never recorded? Did it sound RAMBO/late 80's or more like the 70's theme? I wish that could've been included on the recent release... ---
I guess I didn't see the thread you mention but I've said just about everything I can recall about the sessions for this cue in various corners, Forum topics and with Jeff Bond who wrote the notes for the CD on La La Land. Since the fanfare launching the end credits had bars missing entirely in some of the musician's parts, Goldsmith never made a "print take" of the piece. There was just one sight-reading rehearsal where the music fell apart and Goldsmith - very angry - stopped the cue and announced plans to delete the opening bars and record it again in during the next day's sessions. So there is no recording (even an incomplete one) that La La Land could have included on their CD - which is a superb release.
The troubled fanfare began with Courage's motif and then launched into something dynamic sort of like the opening of his very first STAR TREK score but quickly fell apart. As such, a proper recording of it doesn't exist. Since the score and parts were problematic, Goldsmith most likely deleted the material from his sketches and rescored with the bars that are now familiar. So I'm not sure anyone could technically "re-record" the sequence since Goldsmith's not here to pencil it back in. I happened to be sitting near the cellos during this rehearsal. Yes, it was a tense moment. Anyway, it's just a tiny footnote in STAR TREK V's history at this point. --Doug"
This seems to close the subject, sadly, as my best hope for hearing this lost fanfare was a re-recording stuck on with something else. I would've loved to have been there are the recording sessions for this great score though! Too bad a technical problem robbed us of a great Goldsmith composition bit...
I suspect that the existing most recent two releases of STV: The Final Frontier (from LLL and Intrada) are as definitive as possible, given that Lukas Kendall was behind them!
Since it's the end of the year and it doesn't look like any more Goldsmith scores will be released (unless Bruce K. shocks us by releasing his first Goldsmith score on Kritzerland...) I thought it appropriate to give thanks here for all the definitive Goldsmith releases of the past year which I was able to cross off this list:
From LLL: Warning Shot Star Trek: The Motion Picture Rio Lobo Stagecoach
(Admittedly the last two already had their complete scores released but the new versions are superior in sound quality so let's be grateful for them too!)
From Intrada: Star Trek V (thanks for bringing it back for those who missed it) 2 Days in the Valley (rejected) The Shadow Hoosiers The Last Hard Men (rejected rerecorded cues)
That last one was one we didn't even realize we needed but it's cool to have.
From Varese: The Red Pony
From FSM: Gremlins (whoops, that was the end of last year but thanks anyway Lukas!)
From Perseverance: Lilies of the Field Capricorn One (album rerecording)
Admittedly these two aren't expanded but the re-recording deserves to always be in circulation (and it isn't like it could get more complete), and I believe Lilies of the Field may be near complete already (correct me if I'm wrong, please).
And last but certainly not least, Tadlow/Prometheus and the inauguration of their new COMPLETE GOLDSMITH rerecordings series, for me the best news of the year:
I know Bruce but I was playing along. The tale of the great unused fanfare that Doug heard has always stuck in my mind...
You can hear "The Reincarnation of Peter Proud" complete on youtube. I'd rather hear it on a nice remastered CD.
Yes I agree and here it is!
I've revised my "if the tapes don't survive" comment in the main post because clearly some copy of the tapes is somewhere!
The same YouTuber has some other choice rare Goldsmith posted, including the 5+ minutes of his Lonely Guy score released only on LP. It's lightweight but certainly fun so I hope some label can get out the complete score (hey, if I.Q. gets a release...):
I think your breakdown is much more detailed, but hopefully the table will be a useful quick reference - if I can keep it up to date as the releases keep coming ...
