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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Good luck with it, but I can't help but feel 5 discs for a single score is somewhat overkill, no matter what it may be.

For an OST beginner like me who doesn't own "Ben Hur" in any previous edition (I know! I know!), I'm certainly not going to be going for a 5-disc set as my initiation.

So, slightly off topic, is the 2-disc Sony version (non-long box) from 2010 the one to get?

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Good luck with it, but I can't help but feel 5 discs for a single score is somewhat overkill, no matter what it may be.

For an OST beginner like me who doesn't own "Ben Hur" in any previous edition (I know! I know!), I'm certainly not going to be going for a 5-disc set as my initiation.

So, slightly off topic, is the 2-disc Sony version (non-long box) from 2010 the one to get?


No. Get the Old Rhino 2cd set or just search for the decca phase four recording highlights with better sound recording. Once you have adjusted to the music material then go for the fuill versions!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Good luck with it, but I can't help but feel 5 discs for a single score is somewhat overkill, no matter what it may be.

For an OST beginner like me who doesn't own "Ben Hur" in any previous edition (I know! I know!), I'm certainly not going to be going for a 5-disc set as my initiation.

So, slightly off topic, is the 2-disc Sony version (non-long box) from 2010 the one to get?


No. Get the Old Rhino 2cd set or just search for the decca phase four recording highlights with better sound recording. Once you have adjusted to the music material then go for the fuill versions!


I was under the impression the Rhino and Sony were identical releases?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Good luck with it, but I can't help but feel 5 discs for a single score is somewhat overkill, no matter what it may be.

For an OST beginner like me who doesn't own "Ben Hur" in any previous edition (I know! I know!), I'm certainly not going to be going for a 5-disc set as my initiation.

So, slightly off topic, is the 2-disc Sony version (non-long box) from 2010 the one to get?


No. Get the Old Rhino 2cd set or just search for the decca phase four recording highlights with better sound recording. Once you have adjusted to the music material then go for the fuill versions!


I was under the impression the Rhino and Sony were identical releases?


Yep, they are. It's been re-released on the Sony Classical label in the UK (£8.97 Amazon), it looks like it's still Rhino in the US ($13.94 Amazon). A fantastic deal.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Thanks guys - into the Amazon Wishlist it goes! (the 2010 Sony, that is).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

If so, I hope it gives us the fantastic segue between the climax of the desert/water scenes and the first scene of the galley and first blows of the hortator's gavel. That's my favorite musical scene transition in all film soundtracks. If I had to choose one example to best illustrate Rozsa's dramatic genius, that would be it.

It's a thrilling transition, but does the credit belong to Rozsa? If we've learned anything from studies of this score, it's that the movie's final editing stages involved endless tweaks made without the composer's involvement. Film really is a collaborative art, and sometimes the good choices, as well as the bad ones, are made by somebody other than the composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I thought Lukas said no more box sets!


5 CD's can fit into a sturdy 5 disc "chubby" jewelcase, like the TV Omnibus and it won't technically be a box set big grin . I've a few classical collections in 6 disc chubby jewelcases

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Good luck with it, but I can't help but feel 5 discs for a single score is somewhat overkill, no matter what it may be.

For an OST beginner like me who doesn't own "Ben Hur" in any previous edition (I know! I know!), I'm certainly not going to be going for a 5-disc set as my initiation.

So, slightly off topic, is the 2-disc Sony version (non-long box) from 2010 the one to get?


No. Get the Old Rhino 2cd set or just search for the decca phase four recording highlights with better sound recording. Once you have adjusted to the music material then go for the fuill versions!


I was under the impression the Rhino and Sony were identical releases?


Yep, they are. It's been re-released on the Sony Classical label in the UK (£8.97 Amazon), it looks like it's still Rhino in the US ($13.94 Amazon). A fantastic deal.


No...they are not the same. The Rhino is the original recordings. The Sony are the 2 volumes released at the time of the movie's release. They are re-recordings and different in all aspects to the original. The questioner should get the Rhino. If the FSM release is indeed Ben-Hur I'm sure all will be included.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Why not BLADE RUNNER?


Because it's FSM?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)




Yep, they are. It's been re-released on the Sony Classical label in the UK (£8.97 Amazon), it looks like it's still Rhino in the US ($13.94 Amazon). A fantastic deal.


No...they are not the same. The Rhino is the original recordings. The Sony are the 2 volumes released at the time of the movie's release. They are re-recordings and different in all aspects to the original. The questioner should get the Rhino. If the FSM release is indeed Ben-Hur I'm sure all will be included.


They ARE the same, with the same cover, only not in the long box. I don't know about America, but in the UK, Sony Classical re-released a lot (most) of the Rhino releases, & at a great price. For some reason they didn't re-release King Of Kings, which is why it goes for a lot of money now.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

I'm in agreement with the BEN-HUR speculation - 3 discs for the full film score and alternates et al, and 2 discs for the re-recordings that were on the two editions of the Soundtrack album, with - perhaps - a concert suit or two.

Previously Rhino released the original film cues with 1 alternate with their fine two disc "book" edition, while the Sony two disc release was composed of the two re-recordings re sequenced into chronological order and some selections of the original recording (sourced from the film itself) thrown in here and there.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I've just seen the ScottDS post about the FSM Facebook. Maybe I been wrong about Ben-Hur (I'm wrong most of the time!), if so, it's an easy pass for me. I have the Rhino two-disc (& if I didn't, the Sony re-release is so cheap) & Rozsa's great 70's re-recording, & the Blu-ray with the isolated music track. More than enough for me, & I love this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

If it's Ben Hur 5 CD edition then I'll pass. The Rhino is just fine for me but a nice item for those who can't get enough of that score.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Oo, I wonder if it's the complete Barry King Kong? That's if it wasn't just an unfounded rumor!

Much as I want that score, I can't see any way it'd take 5 discs. The complete score fits on one disc. If you wanted to add the original album program that'd get you a disc 2. If there were alterates, they'd surely fit on disc 2, but if you want to split the alternates and album that'd get you a disc 3. And that's as much as I can imagine you spacing that material out.

No, it has to be something else.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Oo, I wonder if it's the complete Barry King Kong? That's if it wasn't just an unfounded rumor!

Much as I want that score, I can't see any way it'd take 5 discs. The complete score fits on one disc. If you wanted to add the original album program that'd get you a disc 2. If there were alterates, they'd surely fit on disc 2, but if you want to split the alternates and album that'd get you a disc 3. And that's as much as I can imagine you spacing that material out.

No, it has to be something else.

Cheers


I agree, I'd take a one disc original score as I already have the album (but I'd buy a two-disc if that's how it's released). I'm just assuming it's on its way, no rush, to be a soundtrack fan you need patience, sometimes lots of it!

But what if Lukas' hint was about Ben-Hur & not King Kong! We're going to miss all this, come the end of FSM.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Oo, I wonder if it's the complete Barry King Kong? That's if it wasn't just an unfounded rumor!

Much as I want that score, I can't see any way it'd take 5 discs. The complete score fits on one disc. If you wanted to add the original album program that'd get you a disc 2. If there were alterates, they'd surely fit on disc 2, but if you want to split the alternates and album that'd get you a disc 3. And that's as much as I can imagine you spacing that material out.



Discs 3 & 4 the James Newton Howard score for the remake

Disc 5 the rejected Howard Shore score

OK..... probably not. smile Back to Ben-Hur

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


Here is the US, the Sony is NOT the same, the Sony is out of print and is just the old records volume one and two, arranged chronoligically with a few cuts off the actual soundtrack.

Wait for the new FSM.
If you try to llearn the score from the Rhino, you will be totally confused as the Rhino has LOTS of bad editing. parts (and only parts) of rewrites mixed in with part originalas and so one. Good for the time, but a real mess.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I've just seen the ScottDS post about the FSM Facebook. Maybe I been wrong about Ben-Hur (I'm wrong most of the time!), if so, it's an easy pass for me. I have the Rhino two-disc (& if I didn't, the Sony re-release is so cheap) & Rozsa's great 70's re-recording, & the Blu-ray with the isolated music track. More than enough for me, & I love this score.


Only the Culver City recordings have good sound on the Rhino. The rest sounds poor. If a new release improves the sound of the material recorded elsewhere (including all the marches and circus material), that alone will make such a set essential. And as another poster mentions above, the Rhino presents the music as a jumble of bits and pieces, with no flow to it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I've just seen the ScottDS post about the FSM Facebook. Maybe I been wrong about Ben-Hur (I'm wrong most of the time!), if so, it's an easy pass for me. I have the Rhino two-disc (& if I didn't, the Sony re-release is so cheap) & Rozsa's great 70's re-recording, & the Blu-ray with the isolated music track. More than enough for me, & I love this score.


Only the Culver City recordings have good sound on the Rhino. The rest sounds poor. If a new release improves the sound of the material recorded elsewhere (including all the marches and circus material), that alone will make such a set essential. And as another poster mentions above, the Rhino presents the music as a jumble of bits and pieces, with no flow to it.


Well for your sake I hope it is Ben-Hur, then everyone's happy. I'm happy with what I've got (& get to save a few bob), & fans will be more than happy with the new release. Whatever, a five disc release is an event!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

So did Joe Caps basically just confirm that it is Ben Hur?

 
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