Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious at this point that something's off with the end credits. Whether it's a technical error or a different take, they should've just used the same version as the main program / film.
Not sure why they didn't just include the other End Credits people wanted. If space was an issue, this could have easily been a 3 disc set, by moving the Album to its own disc.
This creative decision thing reminds me of the Hocus Pocus release, when they used a totally different take that Debney added a new piano performance to. That's fine, but you should also include the film version as well. They also got pretty defensive about that release cause there were other takes they used and didn't include film versions. Just seems to be the way at Intrada.
While it was immensely disappointing to hear these issues with the credits tracks, Intrada's reaction since it came to light has been worse. Posters on JWFan have now phased the end credits with the film tracks, definitively proving both tracks use the exact same takes, debunking Roger's entire explanation for the issue.
Frankly the explanation he provided (that they intentionally used incorrect takes in all 3 tracks for "creative reasons") made little sense and reeked of covering up a technical error they don't want to rectify.
Denial is one thing, but hand-waving evidence and calling fans "unhappy people" for raising concerns? That's a poor way to treat a loyal fanbase who have supported your labels for many years.
All people want is for this glorious music to sound as good as it possibly can.
Agreed. This is all coming from a deep love and respect for film music and these releases, disappointing that it's so not shared by some of the people in charge of them.
Agreed. This is all coming from a deep love and respect for film music and these releases, disappointing that it's so not shared by some of the people in charge of them.
To suggest that the people at Intrada don't have a deep love and respect for film music and these type of releases is quite the statement!
Agreed. This is all coming from a deep love and respect for film music and these releases, disappointing that it's so not shared by some of the people in charge of them.
To suggest that the people at Intrada don't have a deep love and respect for film music and these type of releases is quite the statement!
Yeah, maybe a bit too strong. But this lack of final polish regarding their editing/mastering (and cover art) and dismissal of legitimate pointing out of issues has been a mainstay for years and years.
They have a long running pattern of not being able to export audio correctly, causing either clicks during tracks or gaps between tracks which are noticeable for gapless portions. They fix and replace those because they just have to reexport the audio correctly. They very rarely acknowledge any actual editing/mastering mistakes, let alone fix and replace them. Like just now, this clear mistake that makes 3 tracks sound worse is just a "creative decision", end of story, go to hell.
I seem to remember getting replacement discs sent to me from Intrada for Cocoon and Sleepy Hollow if I remember correctly...
What was the issue with Cocoon? I neve got a replacement disc from them.
Yes, there was a replacement disc sent out to third party sellers - where I bought Sleepy Hollow, that's how I was able to get it.
Where there any other problems with Intrada releases?
I was one of the few people who had problems with the recording of On Dangerous Ground, and yes I still hear those problem when I play it on Spotify.
I am really surprised by the attitude of Intrada to its customers, and the decisions and lack of attention to mixing that seems to be appearing a bit too often compared to the releases from LLL and Quartet.
Intrada has released a gold mine of glorious releases over the years so I’m not one to complain. I say that knowing they’ve made a few baffling decisions from time to time like some of the cross-fades on the Conan the Barbarian release.
Is it only in the End Credits bit of Raptors Attack that people hear a problem? Are all the other versions as they were on the original album?
All 3 versions of the end credits are affected. The Raptors Attack cue is fine and I believe the original soundtrack portion matches what was already released.
Personally, I know there's an issue. I'm not going to deny or pretend there's not. It's a bummer, but ultimately it's less than 9 minutes of music with an odd echo and it's easy enough for me to rip it from the PCM track on the Blu-ray (actually I had already done that prior to this release.)
I thank Intrada for putting this out at all. It's not perfect, but there's far more good than bad. Plus I feel like no matter what, it's impossible to please everyone. Even before this came out, in another thread someone was saying how they only want the release to be a single CD. I'm convinced there's just no way to make it "perfect" for everyone.
