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 Posted:   Oct 5, 2024 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

I anxiously awaited this for two decades, only to have it play three cities away from me. My old car isn't what I'd call "highway-primed", gas money is... yeah... and it'll probably be gone by next week, so I had to miss out. Excuse me...





You are in luck..streaming starts tomorrow! oh my Lanta

 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2024 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • You are in luck..streaming starts tomorrow! oh my Lanta

    B-b-but I don't really attend theaters much these days, and I didn't spend all that time anticipating just to resort to streaming like a feeeelthy savage! Haven't been this deprived since the same happened with Bill & Ted Face the Music, which was an even longer wait. frown

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     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 12:20 AM   
     By:   Mugradius   (Member)

    America is too dumb, distracted and self-centered to understand this movie.

    I haven't seen it yet myself but there is every possibility that it is just bad.

    As mentioned above our own Mark Kermode didn't like it either, and he's not American.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:20 AM   
     By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

    I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some are saying. I'm also sure Coppola doesn't much care whether it's a flop at the box-office or not: he's 85 years old and has been wanting to do this for 40 years now.

    https://streetrw.blogspot.com/2024/10/megalopolis.html

     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:30 AM   
     By:   Mugradius   (Member)

    I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as some are saying. I'm also sure Coppola doesn't much care whether it's a flop at the box-office or not: he's 85 years old and has been wanting to do this for 40 years now.

    https://streetrw.blogspot.com/2024/10/megalopolis.html


    Hmm. 85 years old and a 40 year development process are reasons why I think it wouldn't work, if I'm honest. But I agree I don't think he will care that deeply. He has absolutely nothing to prove to anyone but on the other hand I do wonder how I would feel if I had dedicated 40 years of my life to something to have it be received poorly or, at least, wildly misunderstood. Maybe it would sting a little.

    I don't know if there are many here familiar with video game development but I have heard this described as "Francis Ford Coppola's Duke Nukem Forever" which, if accurate, refers to a longer development time causing a distinct lack of focus and stumbling production with the end result straying far from the original conceit.

    I will see it - and with an open mind, I must stress - but I fear it may end up more as a curio than anything else. At the very least, I hope it's an accurate translation of FFC's ideas and that he's happy with how it turned out so we know what he's trying to say with it.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 7:44 AM   
     By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

    America is too dumb, distracted and self-centered to understand this movie.

    I haven't seen it yet myself but there is every possibility that it is just bad.

    As mentioned above our own Mark Kermode didn't like it either, and he's not American.


    I am a fan of Kermode´s reviews - but I don't always agree with his opinions, and that's as it should be.

    I haven't seen "Megalopolis" yet but intend to. It´s possible I won't like it. But I already respect it for not offering the usual genre conventions audiences these days not only expect but demand.

    Case in point: "JOKER: FOLIE A DEUX". Too many are disappointed because "they did not do what the fans wanted". I say: Fantastic! Otherwise it would have been just "Joker kills a ton of people and makes cruel jokes, yay!"

    It is high time that more films just go their way instead of being prepackaged content to satisfy shareholder expectations.

    People these days look at the box office and argue just on the merits of financial success. Not on quality or interesting concepts.

     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 11:52 AM   
     By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

    The movie was objectively bad.

    Visually, parts of it were engaging but much of the CGI was dated looking and poorly rendered (one scene where a character is stepping through grass looks wholly unnatural and it just doesn't seem like a stylistic choice but more a result of confusing direction). Admittedly, some scenes were visually impressive--the scene in the coliseum comes to mind.

    The acting was the saving grace of the film. I don't know how the actors delivered some of their lines with a straight face. The script felt over cooked and heavy handed. Several characters were completely unnecessary and the plot was unsatisfying in the conclusion.

    The parts of the score that stood out were very good though. It sounded nice in the theater. But a good chunk of the score was mostly etherial wall paper and only a handful of moments really stood out, which was disappointing. I may need to listen to the score separate from the film's troubling visuals to really gain an appreciation for it.

    I couldn't tell if this was an adaption of Virgil, Shakespeare, or The Power Broker by Robert Caro.

    I feel bad saying all that because I like FFC. But I know he doesn't care about my opinion.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 3:02 PM   
     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

    Not Virgil, but Cicero for sure. His orations re the Catiline conspiracy are (or were) standard for third-year Latin students. "O tempora, O mores!" I'll bet that subject matter lodged in Coppola's brain as it did in mine.

    I went to honor bold, theatrical cinema and an honorable career, but I gave up halfway through. The film is an incoherent mess. Evidently the composer was asked to provide some "Roman" music along the lines of what Miklos Rozsa had created for Ben-Hur. I did indeed hear a Rozsa-like fanfare at one point. No big deal. I'm reminded of what one obituary writer said on the occasion of Rozsa's passing: "If we could go back to ancient Rome, we'd probably complain that the music didn't sound like Rozsa"!

     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 3:31 PM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    Bad Coppola is better than ninety percent of the stuff marketed as "prestige" by present-day Hollywood.

    There is such a thing as settling in and absorbing a picture, whilst forgetting the legacy spin the media may try to impose on a Coppola project.

     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 3:37 PM   
     By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

    Bad Coppola is better than ninety percent of the stuff marketed as "prestige" by present-day Hollywood.

    I respect the hell out of Coppola, and he made three of what I consider the greatest films ever made, but I would still contend that bad Coppola is just bad.

     
     Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 3:48 PM   
     By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

    I heard the New Rome track. Screamed Miklos to me.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 1:12 AM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    I'm very keen to watch the film again. As I said, it has the potential to grow on me a second time, when my mind isn't focussed on the dense and complex, Shakespearean dialogue. Even if this IS a grand folly by the master director, that's still a value in itself. I sometimes think grand follies bring out the best of a director - Stone's ALEXANDER comes to mind, or Edwards' THE CREATOR in recent times. Dig both of them.

    There is SOMETHING here that is of high value. I felt it the first time, alongside the disappointment I also felt. I want to find out what it is.

    Meanwhile, I've whittled down the overlong soundtrack into this 54-minute program, that I think works rather well:

     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 3:22 AM   
     By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

    There is SOMETHING here that is of high value. I felt it the first time, alongside the disappointment I also felt. I want to find out what it is.

    I neither saw nor felt anything but the decline of a great filmmaker. It confirmed my belief that, if you carry a dream project with you for 40 years, there's probably a reason it never came together and maybe should not have been made now.

     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:48 AM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    ...Even if this IS a grand folly by the master director, that's still a value in itself. I sometimes think grand follies bring out the best of a director - Stone's ALEXANDER comes to mind, or Edwards' THE CREATOR in recent times. Dig both of them.

    Sounds like a perceptive viewer who appreciates a brave stab at poetry. There are a number of the spoon-fed hereabouts who will take unnecessary umbrage.

    And yes, Gareth Edwards' The Creator was one of the best Hollywood feints at something cool and different in recent years.

     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:48 AM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    dp

     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:50 AM   
     By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

    or Edwards' THE CREATOR

    The Creator is a "grand folly"??????

    -Erik-

     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 11:13 AM   
     By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

    Bad Coppola is better than ninety percent of the stuff marketed as "prestige" by present-day Hollywood.

    There is such a thing as settling in and absorbing a picture, whilst forgetting the legacy spin the media may try to impose on a Coppola project.


    I don't know, lipstick on a pig and all that.

    I'm not so brainwashed by media that I can ignore that FFC was trying to accomplish something different with this film.

    And yes, if your metric for "good" is "ambitious" then this film does meet that requirement. But I generally prefer a little more cognizance to my social commentary.

    However, I was not aware of any media bias for this film before watching it--my sole knowledge of this film came from this very thread. After I watched the film, I did check out some of the reviews to see what others were saying but my opinion was definitely not influenced by any media narrative.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 12:26 PM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    The Creator is a "grand folly"??????

    I think so, yeah. A few thoughts in my review, as run through Google Translate:

    https://montages-no.translate.goog/2023/09/ki-fabel-som-bevissthetsstrom-gareth-edwards-the-creator/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 12:49 PM   
     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

    I thought The Creator was pretty low budget for a sci-fi epic.
    While it failed, it didn't bankrupt any studios or such like.
    A Grand Folly is a more ambitious/expensive roll of the dice in my view.

     
     
     Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 12:56 PM   
     By:   Thor   (Member)

    I thought The Creator was pretty low budget for a sci-fi epic.
    While it failed, it didn't bankrupt any studios or such like.
    A Grand Folly is a more ambitious/expensive roll of the dice in my view.


    Money doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it. It can also be about a myriad of ideas, a director wanting to say so many things in visionary ways, that don't always come together in neat and tidy ways, but that are laudable based on ambition alone.

     
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