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 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Terrific score for a truly awful film.

I’ve got the original release but may have to dip into the re re re release

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)


At least they could offer a brand new or alternate artwork for this new CD presentation...


Intrada probably doesn't have a choice. There are often contractual restrictions on what artwork can be used, likenesses of particular actors, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I didn't check for better versions or if 'this is it's, but here's the film. I thought it was on VHS, but apparantly not! Got Mandela'd there....

https://youtu.be/EqpsPjLTzWo?si=yA2eivIbl9nmVjy-

All for folks discovering this, and I love the score,,really, but....just too many times to the well on some of this stuff. All for a poorly performed work for a forgotten lost film.
How about another go at NIGHT CROSSING without the clicks apparently myself and 5 others only can hear?

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I can hear them. I would LOVE a revisit of Night Crossing (surely a magician like Chris Malone can tackle those clicks?) or The Mummy (a mix more faithful to the film). I would also buy a 2CD Explorers edition if Intrada felt like revisiting that.

But I'm still grateful for a new and better sounding edition of Inchon, even if I do wish someone had tested out those safeties back in 2020! (Or better yet, Len Engel should have back in 1988!)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I can hear them.

So can i. Thankfully, I've held on to the previous editions. In fact, I've been way more careful about that in the last few years.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Scores like this deserve to be revisited and remain in print. I have the prior release and I'm happy with it. If you have 4 prior releases of this already, are you truly compelled to buy it again for some improved sound? Have you been happy with what you had all these years? Is you collecting addiction that strong? Nobody is coming over, putting a gun to your head and forcing you to spend money on this. If you are complaining that you now "have" to by this 5th go around, then honestly Intrada isn't the problem. I used to be like that. At some point, I realized that I was obsessing over small things.

Save your money or maybe just buy something else.

If this near-guaranteed sellout helps fund other releases, it's great. Keep 'em coming.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   MarkS   (Member)

It does seem to be a bit much, doesn't it?


Indeed. Lest it be forgotten, some of us bought this when it originally came out on the Regency LP.



I bought the LP back when it came out. I would not be at all surprised to find that more people bought the LP than saw the movie back then. Pretty soon, there may be more reissues of this score than people who saw the film in theaters.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

If Intrada is made up of people so obsessive about what they do that they'll make available any possible improvements to their releases that they come across, then I for one am very grateful for their eccentricities!

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   rjc   (Member)

But I'm still grateful for a new and better sounding edition of Inchon, even if I do wish someone had tested out those safeties back in 2020! (Or better yet, Len Engel should have back in 1988!)

Yeah, that's the apparent annoyance here, that these "safeties" were in their hands, but no one checked them out... embarrassment

Roger's FB post mentions the why for this new release, but I wonder when was the apparently superior audio discovered? Were they looking into a possible reissue of the previous edition and, hey...listen to this!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

"Jesus Wept...."

I have a 2cd version of Intrada's INCHON, version whatever.
I'm so happy with this!
It sounds amazing, covers every base.


If you dont have this middling, forgotten, poorly performed, no matter the mastering album of this workmanlike Goldsmith piece, ENJOY!
All 2 of you, new to the JG catalogue.

How is Facecrook or IG responding?

Excitement? Crickets??

I don't understand why this announcement is getting to me so deeply.

The free time Intrada has "thanks" to asshole actors approving their images on a...."CD"?!?! (Anyone still buy these??).

I SWEAR, it kills my heart to slag Intrada so much, but....Seriously.

Any youth, young new score fans, eager for this LOST film's score, easily a forgotten footnote and "black patch" in this composer's resume.


Venom aside (sorry, truly, had to), I hope this release spurs Intrada. Truthfully.
Dunno if this endeavor will boost more Tinkbells (Hi & Love Solium!!!), I hope the tape repair hours were worth it.

I can't see anyone who's a part of this community in the past 10-30 years giving a shit. If so....kudos! You'll have the finest quality INCHON EVER!!!

(Please forgive me, Feigelson & Fake. I'm not tryna degrade the incredible work you do on all fronts.....)

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2024 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

If Intrada is made up of people so obsessive about what they do that they'll make available any possible improvements to their releases that they come across, then I for one am very grateful for their eccentricities!


Fully agree... keep 'em coming, the more stuff that gets re-released and redone, the better. Personally, I tend not to buy the same recording over and over again, but many people will buy these even for the first time.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 1:13 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

So is this the same thing that happened with LLL and their recent re-issue of Star Trek II? Wasn't that mastered from analog safeties that were found to be better than the digital masters?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

How about another go at NIGHT CROSSING without the clicks apparently myself and 5 others only can hear?

Or Deep Rising without the crackles at the start of "Leila's Gone"

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

So is this the same thing that happened with LLL and their recent re-issue of Star Trek II? Wasn't that mastered from analog safeties that were found to be better than the digital masters?

Not quite. The previous expanded Trek II album came from a set of 1/2" analog reels that were dubs of the digitally edited masters. The LLL release was sourced from 1/2" analog tapes recorded live at the sessions. The mixes were similar, but going back to the 1st gen analog allowed us to skip the early digital step and in one case provide a final film take, a version not preserved on the digital-to-analog reels.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Sartoris   (Member)

But I'm still grateful for a new and better sounding edition of Inchon, even if I do wish someone had tested out those safeties back in 2020! (Or better yet, Len Engel should have back in 1988!)

Yavar


This new Intrada story rather sounds like past year THE LAST STARFIGHTER affair!

Redo a thing once you realize that some material you already had in hands is eventually better that what you "first" delivered...to a point you should have release the better thing straight.

I won't comment any further. Everybody will understand what I mean.

But I will nevertheless probably rebuy the new 2024 version...because this is Jerry Goldsmith 95th virtual birthday this very saturday!

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well Thierry, it costs time/money to have tapes transferred. I can well understand why Intrada would think mixed-down Len Engel “safeties” wouldn’t be worth transferring if they have earlier generation sources which Engel himself favored in the past. Just as I can understand why the team behind the FSM Star Trek II didn’t pay to have the other analogue source transferred, which later resulted in the much better sounding LLL edition.

And speaking of LLL, how many times has Die Hard been released and rereleased with better sound? The last rerelease made the most difference, as I recall. Are we also going to shame LLL (to say nothing of Varese for not only Die Hard but Predator, and others later improved by other labels) and suggest they intentionally released something poorer sounding, in order to later re-charge people for the same score again in better sound?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Sartoris   (Member)

Of course not Yavar, they certainly didn't do this intentionally. I never said that and never will.

What I mean is that the INCHON music and presentation may now have sounded and looked good enough with the last 3 CD set edition so that Intrada could have passed on a 4th visit so early after their 3 CD set release (even if sold out)...because this is always the same music. A bit too easy for me I am afraid.

This is always the same debate: there are for a while way too much reissues (each time expanded or (said) technically improved allright)...while too less world premieres or at least CD premieres.

Michael Kamen's LIFEFORCE, James Horner's DEADLY BLESSING, these were great world premieres, just to name 80ies titles. James Horner's BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS, Michael Kamen's COMPANY BUSINESS: fantastic expansions!

Now some stuff like Dave Grusin's WINNING, Michael Kamen's THE NEXT MAN or David Whithaker's HAMMERHEAD, these would be great CD premieres, just a few examples.

Not to speak of the hundreds of never released film and TV scores from the 1965>1980 era to any premiering.

However, if big sales on INCHON may eventually fund (or at least launch as viable) our much desired Goldsmith's PURSUIT/CRAWLSPACE twofer new recording, I am ok with that....

(PS: I have 2 Intrada PREDATOR editions (the black one and the red one) and 3 DIE HARD editions in my collection - it is not as if I hadn't bought them - I really like that stuff and do fund the labels my own way for sure, enough to feed some expectations).

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2024 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Nobody is coming over, putting a gun to your head and forcing you to spend money on this.

    After hearing this for years as a complaint all across the internet, I can't help but to wonder that this idea should've been a horror franchise by now.

    "Coming this October... The Capitalist... You either buy OR YOU PAY."

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     Posted:   Feb 12, 2024 - 5:31 PM   
     By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)





    INCHON (2024 REMASTERED - 3CD)
    Music Composed and Conducted by Jerry Goldsmith


    Label: Intrada Special Collection Volume ISC 501
    Film Date: 1982
    Album Date: 2024
    Time: 162.31
    Tracks: 72

    Intrada again reissues popular Jerry Goldsmith action score!

    Intrada again reissues popular Jerry Goldsmith action score! Issued several times previously and selling out each time, Intrada yet again issues popular and exciting score for Korean War drama but with a change of face:. Master elements for the score, recorded in Italy, all survived in several formats with composer Goldsmith and engineer Len Engel working from and preferring the 1” 8-track masters for our initial CD release and reissue. Subsequently, Intrada created new masters from these elements in tandem with the 1/2” 3-channel stereo film mixes, including editing between the formats. Based on assumptions they would prove inferior, the tapes never utilized were the 1/4” safeties, which were stereo mixes made and stored simply as backups in case of damage to all the other rolls of tape. We finally addressed those tapes expecting more of the same notoriously thin dynamics. Happily we were wrong. Reasonably free from blemishes and noise, these rolls proved to have crisper and cleaner audio with improved dynamics, allowing us to rebuild the entire previous 3-CD program with what should be the best audio available… famous last words? There are few guarantees in life, but the excitement and power of this score remains one of them! While the contents are ostensibly identical to the previous three-disc releases, we found a few additional early print takes and alternates were previously unreleased and, while offering no significant musical differences, might make Goldsmith completists just a little bit happier to take yet one more trip to the well. As before, the first CD offers the original 1982 soundtrack album in the best possible sound, the second CD presents the entire score utilizing the editorial assemblies created by the composer and engineer for our earliest reissue and the third CD carries the complete score in unedited fashion so bars at the end of cues previously edited together now play in their entirety. So three different presentations of this magnificent score, each with its own merits! The film itself, chronicling events surrounding the Korean war, had a much-troubled production history that spanned two years, saw the death of cast member David Janssen and ultimately led to the editing of more than a half hour of footage prior to its general release. Happily Goldsmith scored the longer version and all of his music survived in beautiful condition. Other film production credits were top drawer, including Terence Young (of James Bond fame) at the helm and stars Laurence Olivier, Jacqueline Bisset, Ben Gazzara, Toshiro Mifune and Richard Rountree in the cast. Goldsmith’s “Main Title” opens in aggressive, declamatory fashion, an abundance of propulsive energy and jagged rhythm that puts it in a very small family of Goldsmith title music that includes Night Crossing, Capricorn One, Face Of A Fugitive and The Salamander. The score is thematically rich with ideas for not only the conflict, but the locale and specific characters (Lim’s theme is an emotional highlight) as well. A sparingly used love theme and powerful action material for the tank sequences are major assets! Len Engel engineers, Arthur Morton orchestrates, Jerry Goldsmith composes, conducts. Intrada Special Collection 3-CD set available while quantities and interest remain!

    CD 1 1982 Soundtrack Album

    01. Main Title (2:26)
    02. Resignation (2:17)
    03. The Bridge (3:37)
    04. The Church (4:03)
    05. The Mines (4:24)
    06. Task Force (3:12)
    07. Medley (2:18)
    08. Love Theme (2:55)
    09. The Tanks (3:47)
    10. Lim’s Death (3:18)
    11. The Trucks (2:58)
    12. Inchon Theme (3:28)

    CD 2 2006 Score Assembly

    01. Prologue And Main Title (3:53)
    02. The Bridge (3:37)
    03. The 38th Parallel (1:23)
    04. Medley (2:18)
    05. Love Theme (Album Version) (2:55)
    06. The Aftermath (0:55)
    07. The Tanks (3:47)
    08. A Change Of Course (1:16)
    09. The Church (2:29)
    10. MacArthur’s Arrival (0:55)
    11. The Harbor (1:20)
    12. The Trucks (3:08)
    13. Corpses (1:21)
    14. The Children (Original) (0:51)
    15. The Apology (2:43)
    16. The Lighthouse (2:34)
    17. The Clock Watcher (0:40)
    18. The Mines (5:12)
    19. Resignation (2:17)
    20. The Landing (1:23)
    21. Lim’s Death (2:12)
    22. The Scroll (2:22)
    23. Task Force (3:08)
    24. Inchon Theme (3:24)
    Total Time: 56:06

    CD 3 Complete Score In Sequence

    01. Prologue (1:41)
    02. Main Title (2:26)
    03. The Bridge (1:50)
    04. The 38th Parallel (1:23)
    05. MacArthur (1:00)
    06. The Aftermath (0:55)
    07. The Tragedy (1:14)
    08. Tanks Arrive (1:59)
    09. A Change Of Course (1:16)
    10. The Church (2:29)
    11. MacArthur’s Arrival (0:55)
    12. The Harbor (1:20)
    13. The Tanks (2:59)
    14. The Trucks (3:08)
    15. Lim And The Children (1:28)
    16. Corpses (1:21)
    17. The Pledge (0:39)
    18. The Children (Original) (0:51)
    19. The Apology (2:43)
    20. The Clock Watcher (0:40)
    21. The Lighthouse (2:34)
    22. The Ships (2:23)
    23. The Mines (4:31)
    24. Resignation (2:17)
    25. The Landing (1:23)
    26. Lim’s Death (1:43)
    27. The Scroll (2:22)
    28. Task Force (Revised) (1:20)
    29. Inchon Theme (3:24)
    30. Love Theme (Album Version) (2:55)

    Total Score Time: 57:17

    THE EXTRAS

    31. The Children (Revised) (0:48)
    32. The Ships (Alternate) (2:26)
    33. The Bridge (Early Take) (1:49)
    34. The Pledge (Early Take) (0:42)
    35. The Trucks (Early Take) (3:07)
    36. Task Force (Original) (1:20)

    Total Extras Time: 13:20

    Total CD 3 Time: 67:40


    https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12981/.f?sc=13&category=-113

     
     Posted:   Feb 12, 2024 - 6:23 PM   
     By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

    As I have no previous releases for this title, I'm in for a copy.

     
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