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 Posted:   Dec 29, 2023 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I saw this as a teen during its theatrical release and have never forgotten the eerie descending passage underscoring the moments when Bond is being lowered into the pit after having a little blood shed. It’s part of or similar to a part of the instrumental interlude in the title song. I think it may be cue #21/ Bond’s Watch?

Pretty close, H. Just watched the shark tank clip and thar she blows.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2023 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   paustin   (Member)

How does this compare with the 2003 remaster with extra tracks?

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2023 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

How does this compare with the 2003 remaster with extra tracks?

Based on the track listing I’d say we have more of the score by a significant amount.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2023 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

How does this compare with the 2003 remaster with extra tracks?

Based on the track listing I’d say we have more of the score by a significant amount.


I'm not sure of what release of it I have, as the case is in storage. The time listing all the content on that disc in iTunes says it's 57 minutes. When you compare specific tracks, it's clear that some of the tracks on that earlier disc are combining multiples of what are separate tracks on this LLL, into single cues.

I haven't done an intently focused comparison between how the tracks sound between the two, but a casual comparison suggests they are close enough in sound quality that I don't need to pick this new one up anytime soon.

If I didn't have that earlier release, I would be all over this one, as it's still one of my all time favorite scores for any film, Bond or otherwise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2024 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

I compared tracks from 2003 and 2023 editions.
Almost everything matching perfectly (+/- 1-2 seconds).
As we know, film version of Just a Closer Walk With Thee/New Second Line is bit different (but I'll not surprised, if it was recorded live during actual shooting, so that's why we can't get "full" version).
I'm but confusing with Bond to New York track - while WHOLE duration is almost same as new tracks (Bond To New York Oh Cult Voodoo Shop), I can't re-create current durations big grin So would like to listen it.
Most curious one is On The Train / Finale, as train fight have no music, so looks like this will be premiere release?

Oh, and looks like Sacrifice scene still missing opening bars (when Bond landed island and hear drums). But maybe they are somewhere else?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2024 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   paustin   (Member)

Thank you. Somehow I missed the 2003 remasters. (I just picked up my favorites OHMSS and DAF, LALD would have also been a no brainer if not for the new La La Land release). Ordered the LaLa Land. I can always pick up the 2003 on ebay later.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2024 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

How does this compare with the 2003 remaster with extra tracks?

I say please don't have cross-mixed tracks - silence between cues - i want to hear the gunbarrel withouth hearing the beginning of another piece before the gunbarrel has finished

I HATE cross-mixed tracks unless it appears like that in the film and it intended that way



Oh about TRAIN TRACKS - it was included in the BOND DROPS IN track on the OST

AND about my credits listning (Geoffrick Emmerick) - those came from AIR STUDIOS when I wrote to them in a mail

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 1, 2024 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

How does this compare with the 2003 remaster with extra tracks?

Based on the track listing I’d say we have more of the score by a significant amount.



I got the LP in 1973, the expanded CD in 2003 and ordered this new set in 2023…

Most of the time, this is my favourite non-Barry James Bond score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   soundtrackcollector   (Member)

As great as it is to have this released with even more music, I think it was unnecessary to include the original 
soundtrack album.  I would bet that the vast majority of La La Land's customers already have either or both versions of the EMI CD or it can be easily obtained by them since it's widely available and they don't need it duplicated on this set.

Without this duplication, the expanded music and additional music could all have been fit on one CD for a total just 
short of 69 minutes.  This would have saved an extra charge for shipping a 2-CD set and may have saved some money on the price of the release itself.

For any future releases, I am therefore opposed to the inclusion of the original soundtrack album since this seems like 
unnecessary padding.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

As great as it is to have this released with even more music, I think it was unnecessary to include the original 
soundtrack album.  I would bet that the vast majority of La La Land's customers already have either or both versions of the EMI CD or it can be easily obtained by them since it's widely available and they don't need it duplicated on this set.   Without this duplication, the expanded music and additional music could all have been fit on one CD for a total just 
short of 69 minutes.  This would have saved an extra charge for shipping a 2-CD set and may have saved some money on the price of the release itself.

For any future releases, I am therefore opposed to the inclusion of the original soundtrack album since this seems like 
unnecessary padding.


Well goodie goodie for you.

James

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

What, this comment again? Okay, I'll bite. smile

The OST for "Live And Let Die" has never been re-built to match the 1973 album. Lukas did a terrific job in 2003 with the expanded release, but despite the album sequencing, it wasn't really the original soundtrack album. Let me explain. Several cues were shortened on the 1973 album that were presented at full length in 2003. Those tracks are:

Bond Meets Solitaire
Snakes Alive
Bond Drops In (a combo of "Bond Drops In" and "On The Train")
Sacrifice
James Bond Theme

And then there's "Baron Samedi's Dance Of Death." In the film they used take 6 while the 1973 album used a shortened version of take 7. On the 2003 album only take 6 is presented and in full, so again, the album sequencing was maintained but it wasn't quite the album.

We felt this was a perfect opportunity to not only make fresh new mixes in the spirit of the 1973 album but also go back to those original edits. George Martin knew a thing or two about making a successful record. Again, I hope you enjoy it.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

As great as it is to have this released with even more music, I think it was unnecessary to include the original soundtrack album. I would bet that the vast majority of La La Land's customers already have either or both versions of the EMI CD or it can be easily obtained by them since it's widely available and they don't need it duplicated on this set. Without this duplication, the expanded music and additional music could all have been fit on one CD for a total just short of 69 minutes. This would have saved an extra charge for shipping a 2-CD set and may have saved some money on the price of the release itself.

For any future releases, I am therefore opposed to the inclusion of the original soundtrack album since this seems like
unnecessary padding.


Well I'm more than happy that they includes original album program.
I own only 2003 version too, and even if I know it, as people says, by heart, I'm very thrilled that I finally can listen album the way composer INTENDED it to be and as my Bond fellas listened it back in 1973...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

What, this comment again? Okay, I'll bite. smile

The OST for "Live And Let Die" has never been re-built to match the 1973 album. Lukas did a terrific job in 2003 with the expanded release, but despite the album sequencing, it wasn't really the original soundtrack album. Let me explain. Several cues were shortened on the 1973 album that were presented at full length in 2003. Those tracks are:

Bond Meets Solitaire
Snakes Alive
Bond Drops In (a combo of "Bond Drops In" and "On The Train")
Sacrifice
James Bond Theme

And then there's "Baron Samedi's Dance Of Death." In the film they used take 6 while the 1973 album used a shortened version of take 7. On the 2003 album only take 6 is presented and in full, so again, the album sequencing was maintained but it wasn't quite the album.

We felt this was a perfect opportunity to not only make fresh new mixes in the spirit of the 1973 album but also go back to those original edits. George Martin knew a thing or two about making a successful record. Again, I hope you enjoy it.

Neil


Thanks for the info regarding both releases. I for one am glad the OST is present on both - as you say it is kinda necessary if you want to get the OST and Film versions. To give all 2 discs would be required anyway so why not present a newly restored OST Greatly looking forward to these being released.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Neil, if you can comment on that - can you say, why Sacrifice scene (based on duration) is the same as on 2003 album, while film version is bit longer (as I said - drums while Bond & Quarrel Jr. arrives to island and Bond says "It seems the party's started")?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   soundtrackcollector   (Member)

Neil,

Thanks for explaining this about the different takes and edits. Lukas' FSM article from 2002 or 2003 didn't really explain this in the same way. I didn't know that you re-mastered the original album edits for better sound. I just thought you re-hashed the 1988 EMI CD without re-mastering or improving its sound.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

From the original announcement copy shared in the first post of this thread:
"Produced by Neil S. Bulk, Disc One of this release showcases the Score Presentation, while a remaster of the original 1973 soundtrack album is housed on Disc Two, along with additional music tracks! The film score and original soundtrack album have been remixed from original 16-track masters by Chris Malone and mastered by Doug Schwartz in high resolution. (Please note only the score has been remixed – the McCartney song, the "Fillet Of Soul" tracks and "Just A Closer Walk With Thee/New Second Line" are all sourced from the original album masters.)"

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

I for one always envisioned the ideal expansions having a second disc with the original LP program. Those were always classic presentations, even if at times suboptimal (Thunderball rushed to the plant before recording sessions were completed, Diamonds Are Forever focusing more on source music, etc). So this approach is spot on to me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

In the generic I always prefer to have the original album included since they are often unique from what is heard in the films.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   seinmind   (Member)

I for one always envisioned the ideal expansions having a second disc with the original LP program. Those were always classic presentations, even if at times suboptimal (Thunderball rushed to the plant before recording sessions were completed, Diamonds Are Forever focusing more on source music, etc). So this approach is spot on to me.

The completist in me likes it as well. I was ready to donate the 1988 EMI Manhattan release of Live and Let Die once I received the 2003 remaster. Then I realized the album tracks were slightly different, longer, and edited differently. This was mentioned by Neil above and long before that, Lukas (if I recall correctly) commented how he was a bit "sneaky" to include the extended versions of those tracks when the record label assumed the album sequencing would not be modified.

On the A Score To Settle Podcast, Neil commented on producing The World Is Not Enough album and how studios and recording labels like to know which tracks they own. I'm sure throwing the original album to fill out the 2nd disc helps with that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2024 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Neil, if you can comment on that - can you say, why Sacrifice scene (based on duration) is the same as on 2003 album, while film version is bit longer (as I said - drums while Bond & Quarrel Jr. arrives to island and Bond says "It seems the party's started")?

"Sacrifice" as recorded has the same running time as the scene in the film, about 3:20. If you're talking about the minute or so of dance music prior to "Sacrifice" it wasn't on our tapes. However Bond's line, "Seems like the party's started" occurs during the opening of "Sacrifice."

I hope this answers your question.

Neil

 
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