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 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Yeah, as I said up there, I don't see Kamen's contribution to LIFEFORCE as a "stand alone" score. It was just "additional music".

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

We know that SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES was successful for Intrada twice previously, with their excellent releaes of both the Horner and Delerue scores. Maybe a reissue of these, but with the Horner score now released complete on one disc, plus Horner's album arrangement (which he did for Intrada) on a second disc?

Yavar


That's what I'm thinking. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

A 3 cd is ptretty heavy..maybe CONAN THE DESTROYER?
or


HIGHLANDER finally...with all scores?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

We know that SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES was successful for Intrada twice previously, with their excellent releaes of both the Horner and Delerue scores. Maybe a reissue of these, but with the Horner score now released complete on one disc, plus Horner's album arrangement (which he did for Intrada) on a second disc?

Yavar


That's what I'm thinking. big grin


That would be great, fingers crossed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   ray92   (Member)

Gladiator (1992) with "finally" Brad Fiedels score and Jerry Goldsmiths rejected (along with the original soundtrack that was released with songs to add up)

That would be great!
Fiedel's score is very cool.

But, it was a little strange to first release an REJECTED score, ignoring the finished Fiedel's score . Though given that INTRADA's label is a Jerry Goldsmith/John Williams label, this is quite logical of them. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

It doesn't align with Roger's list of composers but I suppose it doesn't always have to. First thing that came to my mind is:

James Horner/Abel Korzeniowski: Romeo and Juliet.

Supported by the leak of what seemed like an album arrangement of the score on YouTube last year. That seemed to indicate someone was working on it and it escaped.

Unsupported by album lengths. Korzeniowski's album isn't much longer than what Horner did but never seen the movie and not sure what else is in there. One of the scores might have enough extra score + alternates or other bonus material to get to 2CDs perhaps?

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It doesn't align with Roger's list of composers but I suppose it doesn't always have to. First thing that came to my mind is:

James Horner/Abel Korzeniowski: Romeo and Juliet.



That would also be nice, would absolutely buy that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Newton Howard's Kong would be super cool, but since it was recorded after the AFM archival rate of mid 2005 cutoff, it might require the miracle of the AFM to renegotiate the timeline to allow for such a massive score to be covered. The Re-use alone would be chaos as they had so many sessions at different scoring stages to get that one done in time. Plus, it clocks in over three hours, so you would need at least 3 discs alone for that one.

As for Shore's contribution, only an hour was recorded as the film was incomplete when he got what he got to score.


Would it be possible for Intrada or perhaps the composer to have negotiated a special tarriff once-off?

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Not sure if it could be a Black Stallion re-issue Coppola/Walker - probably a stretch but it was 3 CDs last time and an album on there too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

A 3 cd is ptretty heavy..maybe CONAN THE DESTROYER?


No way that would require 3 CDs, even if SWORD AND SORCERY SPECTACULAR was included...

But, it was a little strange to first release an REJECTED score, ignoring the finished Fiedel's score . Though given that INTRADA's label is a Jerry Goldsmith/John Williams label, this is quite logical of them. wink

I mean, it's not just Intrada. Varese put out Goldsmith's Alien Nation on its own, many years before Kritzerland did their 2CD set pairing it with the final Curt Sobel score! Certain composers just sell better, and the labels know it. Nothing strange about that!

James Horner/Abel Korzeniowski: Romeo and Juliet.

This would be absolutely amazing, assuming there's enough material to justify 3CDs...



OH MY GOSH!

Folks, I've thought up a REALLY GOOD ONE which no one else has mentioned yet: How about an expansion of the Disney-controlled (so only Intrada could do it) LES MISERABLES by Basil Poledouris, paired with the rejected Gabriel Yared score???

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

OH MY GOSH!

Folks, I've thought up a REALLY GOOD ONE which no one else has mentioned yet: How about an expansion of the Disney-controlled (so only Intrada could do it) LES MISERABLES by Basil Poledouris, paired with the rejected Gabriel Yared score???

Yavar


That would be mindblowing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   tobis   (Member)

OH MY GOSH!

Folks, I've thought up a REALLY GOOD ONE which no one else has mentioned yet: How about an expansion of the Disney-controlled (so only Intrada could do it) LES MISERABLES by Basil Poledouris, paired with the rejected Gabriel Yared score???

Yavar


That would be great. It's one of my favourite Poledouris scores and the original release was rather odd. And a new Yared is always great.
Does anyone know if at least one of these scores is long enough to warrant a second disc?

Now that I think about it, I'll probably be disappointed if it's anything else. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

As weird as that original four-suite album was for LES MISERABLES, it was the album produced by the composer, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Intrada decided to preserve that original album program along with a release of the complete score (which might fit on one CD, or might barely spill onto the second with the album program...not sure).

I'm guessing the previously unreleased Yared score would fit on one disc just fine.

I've got some more thoughts, though! What if we are looking at a PREMIERE of a previously-unreleased rejected ELMER BERNSTEIN score?

I know there are more possibilities besides these, but what about:
RAT RACE pairing Bernstein's score with an expansion of John Powell's? -OR-
A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT pairing Bernstein's score with an expansion of Mark Isham's?

I would ABSOLUTELY BUY either of those, personally. I heard Bernstein's main theme of the latter performed LIVE (conducted by his son Peter!) at a special USC tribute concert over a decade and a half ago. The concert video was put up online at some point, and here's the relevant excerpt (taken from a larger suite):


Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

It doesn't align with Roger's list of composers

When will people realize that Roger's lists are NEVER complete or where exactly do you see on his list Safan or Rosenthal?


Re FRENZY, which is top candidate - the fact there never was an album released, doesn't mean that master hadn't been prepared and just never happened... And if something like Return from the Witch Mountain can be released on two CDs pretty much anything can even though it doesn't require it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Roger and/or Doug have stated the lists are not complete.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I suspect Varese controls David Newman's I LOVE TROUBLE in perpetuity... but if NOT, and it's in the same boat as MATINEE and several others they released in the 90s but didn't get perpetuity rights on... well, these two albums could also be an expansion of his score and a premiere of Elmer Bernstein's rejected score... we know that Intrada loves both composers!

How many other Bernstein rejected score possibilities are there, Justin?

Roger's clues are really excellent and allow a lot of speculation because they seem to span a lot of possibilities.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Minus the ones you noted:

A re-issue of "Gangs of New York"

A premiere of his rejected "Rat Race" score (yeah, two films for him by the same name; the one Powell re-scored)

A new issue of "Last Man Standing" (bottom barrel material though)

A re-issue of "The Scarlet Letter" (though this seems unliely, given Morricone may have recorded a score, too).

A premiere of his rejected "Innocent Blood" score.

A premiere of his rejected "Murder In Mississippi" score.

A premiere of his rejected "Trust Me" score.

A new issue of "Stars and Bars".

A premiere of his rejected "Casey's Shadow".

And a film score sessions player told me he had a late-career rejected score that wasn't "Gangs of New York", but could not recall the title.



Unsolved titles from the Supposedly page:
http://rejectedfilmscores.125mb.com/supposedly.html

1966
CAST A GIANT SHADOW -- Dov Seltzer. An old news blurb mentioned he was doing the score. [Elmer Bernstein, R.I.P..]

1995
CASINO -- Elmer Bernstein, R.I.P.. An old news blurb mentioned he was doing the score. [No original score.]

1997
LA CONFIDENTIAL -- Elmer Bernstein. [Jerry Goldsmith.]

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

Roger Feigelson writes:

While it's too soon to reveal the albums, here's some info: 2 albums, 1 film, 2 composers, 3 discs.

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8955

Let the flailing begin!


How bout "Gladiator"?

It had two albums, the original soundrack and the "More Music from..." album.
Two composers, Hans Zimmer and Lisa Gerrard
The complete score + alternates would be around 3 discs


Gladiator would be amazing!

I still havent listen to that second disc properly. I just cant stand dialogue in scores! lol!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

Roger Feigelson writes:

While it's too soon to reveal the albums, here's some info: 2 albums, 1 film, 2 composers, 3 discs.

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8955

Let the flailing begin!


So I would read this as:

2 Albums (So two different releases, you can get either independently.)

1 Film. (So it sounds like two scores for one film, so possibly a rejected score, or a score composed for a different region.)

3 Discs (So one score considerably longer than the other, or containing a lot of extras.)

FRENZY with scores by Henry Mancini and Ron Goodwyn would be really cool, but I don't see how that could be 3CDs?



LIFEFORCE has been released before, but it's been a while, so it could be overdue for a re-release/makeover. Again, I don't know if there's enough material for 3CDs... Kamen's score was not a "full" score, so I don't see that as a stand alone album (unlike, say, Craig Safan's WOLFEN, which could stand perfectly well as a stand alone release.)

KING KONG (2005) would knock this out of the ballpark, that would be quite a surprise.

Likewise, WHAT DREAMS MAY COME would also know this out of the ballpark, and would also be quite a surprise.


Lifeforce is my guess. I have 3 discs of it. One on Varese has 11 tracks, one on MGM has 19 tracks, the 3rd is from buysoundtracks with 27 Mancini tracks with includes a damaged track titled "Grandson of Web" with choir. It also contains the album produced by Mancini, and the additional music by Kamen.
Easily 3 discs.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2022 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Minus the ones you noted:
A premiere of his rejected "Rat Race" score (yeah, two films for him by the same name; the one Powell re-scored)


I did note that one above, at the same time I mentioned A River Runs Through It.

A re-issue of "Gangs of New York"
A new issue of "Last Man Standing" (bottom barrel material though)
A new issue of "Stars and Bars".
A re-issue of "The Scarlet Letter" (though this seems unliely, given Morricone may have recorded a score, too).


These certainly seem possible, if Varese didn't get them in perpetuity. But less enticing than the completely unreleased rejected Bernstein scores...

A premiere of his rejected "Innocent Blood" score.
A premiere of his rejected "Murder In Mississippi" score.
A premiere of his rejected "Trust Me" score.


Three I have NEVER heard of -- thank you!

A premiere of his rejected "Casey's Shadow".

Oh yeah. I think that's one of the two (the one I hadn't previously heard of, at the time) which Peter Bernstein mentioned to me years ago when I interviewed him:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1746388-odyssey-interviews-peter-bernstein

The final film score was by Patrick Williams, a composer I really like. But I'm guessing this is too obscure of a film for Intrada to care about giving separate albums rather than combining both composers' work onto one.

And a film score sessions player told me he had a late-career rejected score that wasn't "Gangs of New York", but could not recall the title.

Probably Rat Race?

Yavar

 
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