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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2020 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So based on the audio samples, I hear some exotica content, but I really can't stand military scores.

Can anyone say how much exotica there is relative to military content? As Groucho said, military intelligence is to intelligence what military music is to music.

Thanks in advance.


I would say the Korean ethnic elements in the score far outnumber the rah-rah military stuff (though I think that's pretty good too). And there's a nice love theme or two you might like as well. But for me the highlight of the score is the "exotic" action music, which I hear as fairly distinct from the American military music. It's more akin to the Klingon theme in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, with a lot of dark brass and clacking percussion. It's thrilling stuff and there's thankfully quite a lot of it.

Yavar


Thank you for your detailed and on-point response!

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I just don't want any more 'stuff'. A high quality download with the notes presented in pdf form will suit me fine.

Agreed.

Higher quality audio. Less environmental harm. No shipping costs. Not going through the proces of ripping the disc. Glad to see Intrada make use of the benefits of non-physical releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I just don't want any more 'stuff'. A high quality download with the notes presented in pdf form will suit me fine.

Well said. Exactly how I feel.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)



Except if the digital files are of CD quality....what's the point, outside of the instant gratification of getting it right away? You can make your own digital files.


A cd *is* digital files. You should look at it this way. When you buy a cd, you buy digital files that someone printed on a disc for you. I reckon most buyers nowadays put the files from the cd on their computer as soon as it arrives.

It's like printing something, sending it to someone and then have them use a scanner to get it back on their computer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So based on the audio samples, I hear some exotica content, but I really can't stand military scores.

Can anyone say how much exotica there is relative to military content? As Groucho said, military intelligence is to intelligence what military music is to music.

Thanks in advance.


I would say the Korean ethnic elements in the score far outnumber the rah-rah military stuff (though I think that's pretty good too). And there's a nice love theme or two you might like as well. But for me the highlight of the score is the "exotic" action music, which I hear as fairly distinct from the American military music. It's more akin to the Klingon theme in Star Trek: The Motion Picture, with a lot of dark brass and clacking percussion. It's thrilling stuff and there's thankfully quite a lot of it.

Yavar


Thank you for your detailed and on-point response!


There's Klingon's in Inchon? Instant buy!!!! BTW what is Inchon, is that the name of the Klingon leader?

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


A cd *is* digital files. You should look at it this way. When you buy a cd, you buy digital files that someone printed on a disc for you. I reckon most buyers nowadays put the files from the cd on their computer as soon as it arrives.

It's like printing something, sending it to someone and then have them use a scanner to get it back on their computer.


Yes, that's how I see it. Good analogy.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

A cd *is* digital files. You should look at it this way. When you buy a cd, you buy digital files that someone printed on a disc for you. I reckon most buyers nowadays put the files from the cd on their computer as soon as it arrives.

It's like printing something, sending it to someone and then have them use a scanner to get it back on their computer.


That's not how the industry sees it. "DVD and digital available August 3rd." And for those of us who still value physical media, it's important to keep the distinction.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

That's not how the industry sees it. "DVD and digital available August 3rd." And for those of us who still value physical media, it's important to keep the distinction.

That's just industry language because "digital" sounds sexier than "download" - "digital" is also a noun while "download" is more often considered a "verb". They certainly won't want to muddle the market with "physical" vs "loose digital files" terminology

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Yes, that's how I see it. Good analogy.

But you and johnbijl are wrong, yet again! How many times we have to discuss this??!!

The value of a CD is in the item ITSELF. It's a matter of collecting it, it's about the feeling of having it and then enjoy it as a thing you can put physically in a player. Some of us will never EVER buy intangible digital files.

The 16-bit or 24-bit talking is irrelevant, because you don't hear it, you just KNOW it! The analogy with the scanner is also stupid. You don't make a picture of anything and say you use it.

If Intrada starts to do releases both ways (physical and digital) then that's the best for everybody. However, I'll feel VERY disappointed if they decide to go the digital-only route. They will loose me, and I'm sure many others too, as their customer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Yes, that's how I see it. Good analogy.

But you and johnbijl are wrong, yet again! How many times we have to discuss this??!!

The value of a CD is in the item ITSELF. It's a matter of collecting it, it's about the feeling of having it and then enjoy it as a thing you can put physically in a player. Some of us will never EVER buy intangible digital files.

The 16-bit or 24-bit talking is irrelevant, because you don't hear it, you just KNOW it! The analogy with the scanner is also stupid. You don't make a picture of anything and say you use it.

If Intrada starts to do releases both ways (physical and digital) then that's the best for everybody. However, I'll feel VERY disappointed if they decide to go the digital-only route. They will loose me, and I'm sure many others too, as their customer.


Exactly my sentiments. Well stated.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Tevose   (Member)

Yes, that's how I see it. Good analogy.

But you and johnbijl are wrong, yet again! How many times we have to discuss this??!!

The value of a CD is in the item ITSELF. It's a matter of collecting it, it's about the feeling of having it and then enjoy it as a thing you can put physically in a player. Some of us will never EVER buy intangible digital files.

The 16-bit or 24-bit talking is irrelevant, because you don't hear it, you just KNOW it! The analogy with the scanner is also stupid. You don't make a picture of anything and say you use it.

If Intrada starts to do releases both ways (physical and digital) then that's the best for everybody. However, I'll feel VERY disappointed if they decide to go the digital-only route. They will loose me, and I'm sure many others too, as their customer.


If you decide to not buy a composer’s score that you’re a fan of because it’s digital only — and it so happens to be only released digitally — that’s not Intrada’s loss; that, my friend, is your own.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

That's just industry language because "digital" sounds sexier than "download" - "digital" is also a noun while "download" is more often considered a "verb". They certainly won't want to muddle the market with "physical" vs "loose digital files" terminology

Perhaps, but that's the word for it. It's what Intrada used in their press release for Inchon, and it's what the poster I responded to misused to advance his message.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


The value of a CD is in the item ITSELF. It's a matter of collecting it, it's about the feeling of having it and then enjoy it as a thing you can put physically in a player. Some of us will never EVER buy intangible digital files.





If you had a collection of pre-recorded cassettes, would you not accept the offer of a straight trade for hi-res downloads of the same music?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

When is the 32-bit/148kHz/high resolution re-mastering on the acetate sources of Herrmann's On Dangerous Ground getting released?

razz

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Yes, that's how I see it. Good analogy.

But you and johnbijl are wrong, yet again! How many times we have to discuss this??!!


How are we wrong? It was a very apt analogy and it fits.


The value of a CD is in the item ITSELF. It's a matter of collecting it, it's about the feeling of having it and then enjoy it as a thing you can put physically in a player. Some of us will never EVER buy intangible digital files.


See, yours is a perfectly fine way to collect music, and I don't think you are "wrong" because of it. You are like the person who enjoys the printed out document over the sent PDF, and that is completely okay. I don't at all think that you shouldn't do this or are "wrong" because of it.

But there are some people, I am among them, to whom the physical part of collecting music is irrelevant. (Well, more or less completely irrelevant, I enjoy some of the very nice special editions, as the complete Howard Shore LORD OF THE RINGS -- that's as nice at they get -- or Miklós Rózsa's Rhino release of BEN HUR or John Williams's STAR WARS TRILOGY set.)

Anyway, the physical collecting part is important to you, and that's fine, but why should those of us who care little or not at all about the physical part be "wrong" for just caring to get the music in the best sound quality and find the physical part negligible? In fact, I prefer to not collect too much more "physical" stuff anymore. I enjoy some nice physical edition of a book, or even a CD release, but basically, I don't need my music in any physical format anymore, and I find that very liberating.

(I'm currently moving... and CD boxes are HEAVY... sheesh... )

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


A cd *is* digital files. You should look at it this way. When you buy a cd, you buy digital files that someone printed on a disc for you. I reckon most buyers nowadays put the files from the cd on their computer as soon as it arrives.


The comment I was responding to was praising the concept of getting the download free when buying the disc. My point was that if one is listening to the download they probably can make it themselves (though again, that 'probably' is turning more into a 'maybe' nowadays, unfortunately)

And yeah, I pretty much don't touch the CD after the first listen, it's true. But I'd rather have a rip I made myself that I know is actually representative of the disc, done properly.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If you had a collection of pre-recorded cassettes, would you not accept the offer of a straight trade for hi-res downloads of the same music?

The cassette version of Inchon comes with the digital download, so you can keep both!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   robertolopes   (Member)

Congrats on Intrada for finally entering the hi-res format. Magnetic tape analog recordings of any age - of course, when properly vaulted - do sound WAY better than the digital baby step technology from the 1970s-1990s. Unfortunately we had some 20 years of bad sounding sources due to the limitations of those digital formats.

Compare Poltergeist and Inchon. Both are from the same year and Poltergeist sounds worse.

Hi-res recordings from the original tapes, when done properly - and I trust their expertise - improve on soundstage presentation and microdetails and texture. The difference is night and day.

Try listening to the hi-res version of Jurassic Park in comparison to the CD. Dennis Steals The Embryo sounds crisper, clearer and way more detailed, for instance.

This is the future.

I will promptly buy any release of a beloved score on hi-res and I hope to be able of purchasing Intrada’s whole catalog in 24-bit 96kHz version or even higher like DSD.

Thank you for the opportunity!

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Compare Poltergeist and Inchon. Both are from the same year and Poltergeist sounds worse.

Inchon was actually written and recorded in 1980, even though the film’s general release was delayed until 1982.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2020 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)



Compare Poltergeist and Inchon. Both are from the same year and Poltergeist sounds worse.



While there is no debate over the High res digital sound quality but to say that poltergeist in comparasion sounds the worse does trouble me. For me and notably others this is one of those analogue recordings that really outshines in both the fgilm and the cd medium itself.

Inchon had the misfortune on being recorded in a less than ideal location whereas Poltergeist was a top notch studio production.

 
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