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 Posted:   Nov 21, 2020 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

You know, it does seem to be that what I thought was fairly clearcut, as in who composed what cues, is more murky. To my ears, and the sole credit he received on SPIDERMAN, season TRANSFORMERS and the GI JOE mini-series, I figured I knew what was composed by Johnny Douglas. When 1985 rolled around and there were new library cues that sounded markedly different, yet still orchestral, and Rob Walsh was included in the credits, I thought it was obvious those were composed by him. But I guess, if Fred Steiner can compose a cue for Star Trek The Motion Picture ("Meet Vejur") that sounds just like Jerry Goldsmith, then Walsh could have composed cues that sounded like Douglas.

It's interesting, though, because if you listen to the album "Johnny Douglas in Concert", his compositions there sound just like his music for JOE and TRANSFORMERS, so it seemed we have a good idea of his overall style. Plus, his use of drum kit, bass & electric guitar and saxes with the orchestra seem be unique to him and not Rob Walsh, but again, none of us know the full story.

In listening to this album with headphones, you can tell the different recording sources, some cues being recorded in a different studio and I think some cues are mono and some stereo. I can see how this album could resonate more with fans since it's orchestral all the way through and doesn't make the switch to electronic as the TRANSFORMERS LP does on side 2. What's kind of fun for me is that side 2 on this GI JOE album is almost like having TRANSFORMERS VOL. 2 since those same Rob Walsh cues showed up everywhere in that show too!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2020 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   MCRE1201   (Member)

So far I'm on my second listen of this new album on Spotify. I personally find it's a better listening experience than the Transformers album. SO far the tracks that resonated with me most were "Help Marches In" The whistling on that track is great. I also really like "Wild Warriors" - sounds so memorable to me - I'm sure I've heard it in other shows.

I tend to agree — something about this album feels better conceived and assembled than the TRANSFORMERS one. It flows better, I guess. And yeah, “Wild Warriors” was one of the most commonly used Walsh action tunes in both G.I JOE and TRANSFORMERS. It’s definitely one of my favorites from that set of ‘85 cues.

You know, it does seem to be that what I thought was fairly clearcut, as in who composed what cues, is more murky. To my ears, and the sole credit he received on SPIDERMAN, season TRANSFORMERS and the GI JOE mini-series, I figured I knew what was composed by Johnny Douglas. When 1985 rolled around and there were new library cues that sounded markedly different, yet still orchestral, and Rob Walsh was included in the credits, I thought it was obvious those were composed by him.

For the longest time, I thought the same: I just figured Douglas did all the music for the first two JOE mini-series and the entire first season of TRANSFORMERS, and Walsh did all the shared music between the two, plus the DiCola-style stuff from TF season 3. I used to see where Walsh insisted that he, not Douglas, did all the music for the TF series, but I figured he was confused and maybe unaware of the first season’s cues.

It was only maybe five years ago when I saw someone point out online that while the first three episodes of TRANSFORMERS (the pilot) say “Music by Johnny Douglas”, every episode from #4 on credits both Douglas and Walsh. At that point I really started to pay closer attention and realized that the new post-pilot cues in that season, while using Douglas’s themes and trying to mimic him to some extent, were clearly a different style. The stuff you mentioned (drums, bass, guitar, etc.) are a giveaway. Walsh didn’t really use any of that, even when doing his faux-Douglas impression. Douglas had that semi-70s funk thing going on in a lot of his action cues, which Walsh tended to avoid.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2020 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


For the longest time, I thought the same: I just figured Douglas did all the music for the first two JOE mini-series and the entire first season of TRANSFORMERS, and Walsh did all the shared music between the two, plus the DiCola-style stuff from TF season 3. I used to see where Walsh insisted that he, not Douglas, did all the music for the TF series, but I figured he was confused and maybe unaware of the first season’s cues.

It was only maybe five years ago when I saw someone point out online that while the first three episodes of TRANSFORMERS (the pilot) say “Music by Johnny Douglas”, every episode from #4 on credits both Douglas and Walsh. At that point I really started to pay closer attention and realized that the new post-pilot cues in that season, while using Douglas’s themes and trying to mimic him to some extent, were clearly a different style. The stuff you mentioned (drums, bass, guitar, etc.) are a giveaway. Walsh didn’t really use any of that, even when doing his faux-Douglas impression. Douglas had that semi-70s funk thing going on in a lot of his action cues, which Walsh tended to avoid.


In terms of the end credits, what is now included in broadcast and DVD versions of the 1st season episodes is, I think, the end credits from season 2, in which it lists both Douglas and Walsh. Now, I'd have to see if I still have my very old VHS copies, but if I recall in the original broadcast of season 1 episodes it was still only Douglas credited. But hey, I could be seriously misremembering! smile

Anyway, I received the GI JOE LP and can confirm that Walsh is listed as Exec Producer, so this must have been all done before he passed away and it simply took this long for the release to be scheduled. There is much less details and art than what we had for the TRANSFORMERS LP, which had that nice gatefold cover. The track titles do list which episode each cue first appeared in, plus notes that "all titles by Robert J Walsh and Johnny Douglas", plus an extra "with" credit for all other names mentioned here (including Joe Bacal, who ran the ad agency!).

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2020 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I am also noting that there is a woodwind suspense passage heard in both Underwater Drama and Drama Underfoot, although in the latter cue it has an extended punchy ending, rather than a button ending.


 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2020 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

Immediately bought this from Amazon a couple nights ago and am thrilled to be able to listen to so much amazing and fun Joe music after all these years. I grew up a gigantic GI Joe fan (only Star Wars was more important to me) in the 1980s so this release is definitely a big personal grail I can scratch off of my list. I had an unmentionable for years that was just an isolated rip so this is extremely satisfying to hear so much A Real American Hero music without any sound FX and in high quality to boot! Listening to this immediately conjures up images of Duke, Snake Eyes, Scarlett and Gung Ho fighting Cobra Commander, Destro, the Baroness and Zartan! I hope this release is popular enough to maybe warrant a 2nd volume with more tracks that were left off. I would also love to see the G.I. Joe movie's score get a release some day, too!

Yooo Joe!!!

I am curious about the tracks that were included in the deluxe game set. Hopefully someone can confirm if those are actually exclusive to that set or just material on this release. I may plunk down the money if they end up being different tracks.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2020 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I'm curious about those additional tracks on the Blackout game CD soundtrack! With luck, someone will post some info or the tracks will show up on Youtube. I still wish for a Vol. 2 of TRANSFORMERS as well, but I know that this is a super niche market.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I emailed the game studio this morning requesting more details about the soundtrack. Will report back if I get a response. smile https://gamemill.com/contact/

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I emailed the game studio this morning requesting more details about the soundtrack. Will report back if I get a response. smile https://gamemill.com/contact/

Sweet! Way to be proactive! Although this reminds of me that time, so many years ago in 2002, when we were all hunting down the exclusive edition of Attack of The Clones with the one bonus track.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   MCRE1201   (Member)

Oops, double post.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   MCRE1201   (Member)


Anyway, I received the GI JOE LP and can confirm that Walsh is listed as Exec Producer, so this must have been all done before he passed away and it simply took this long for the release to be scheduled. There is much less details and art than what we had for the TRANSFORMERS LP, which had that nice gatefold cover. The track titles do list which episode each cue first appeared in, plus notes that "all titles by Robert J Walsh and Johnny Douglas", plus an extra "with" credit for all other names mentioned here (including Joe Bacal, who ran the ad agency!).


Thanks for the info! I pre-ordered the album from Amazon back in October, and received an e-mail on Friday stating that it was delayed until at least Dec. 6th. Maybe specialty shops got priority from the distributor or something.

ETR took a lot of pride in their TRANSFORMERS album. I had a little Twitter conversation with them a week or two before it was released, and the rep responding to me was really excited to share a photo of the gatefold and describe the effects they used on the physical record. Sorry to hear this album didn't get a similar treatment. I know it wasn't ETR though... it appears it was done by Hasbro themselves?

I emailed the game studio this morning requesting more details about the soundtrack. Will report back if I get a response. smile https://gamemill.com/contact/

Thank you! I'm really curious about this. Per the screenshot I found last week, the nine bonus tracks are:

Fight, Friendship, Freedom
Full Throttle
Hsssss
Into Evil's Lair
Jaws of the Cobra
Opening
Troops in Trouble
Wild Warriors
Victory Celebration

Six of those are on the new album, but three (Full Throttle, Into Evil's Lair, and Troops in Trouble) are not. I'm really curious as to what they are (and more importantly, whether they're Johnny Douglas cues or Rob Walsh cues)!

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


Thank you! I'm really curious about this. Per the screenshot I found last week, the nine bonus tracks are:

Fight, Friendship, Freedom
Full Throttle
Hsssss
Into Evil's Lair
Jaws of the Cobra
Opening
Troops in Trouble
Wild Warriors
Victory Celebration

Six of those are on the new album, but three (Full Throttle, Into Evil's Lair, and Troops in Trouble) are not. I'm really curious as to what they are (and more importantly, whether they're Johnny Douglas cues or Rob Walsh cues)!


One of those could be the very cue you were hoping to hear on the LP edition!

Yeah, it's a bummer about the lack of embellishment on this album as there was for the TRANSFORMERS LP, but I guess since we also got a digital download of the GI JOE tracks and didn't for the other, somehow it all evens out. I was prepared to take a trip to my local LP transfer retailer and have him do the transfer of the JOE LP, but I'm spared that hassle.

In an ideal world, of course, an album release of music from either series would have been a 2-disc set from La La Land, with liner notes, alternates and vocal + instrumental versions of the title songs, but alas, we take what we can get!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   MCRE1201   (Member)

One of those could be the very cue you were hoping to hear on the LP edition!

And I'm actually crazy enough to spend the $50 for that cue. Probably not any others, but definitely that one.

I agree; I would've loved to see both JOE and TRANSFORMERS get a proper bells-and-whistles release from La La Land. I read on here a while back that they tried at one point, but Hasbro wasn't interested. So I guess we take what we can get, and just hope for more!

Though again, the fact that I have ANY of this is cause to rejoice as far as I'm concerned!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I would love to see what the Hasbro Records LP label design looks like. Can someone post an image?

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I notice the opening credits/theme song isnt on this LP. Thats a bummer.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I notice the opening credits/theme song isnt on this LP. Thats a bummer.

Not true! The opening credits actually is the first track, however it's the instrumental version of the main title, without the narration and vocals. And in addition, the end credits are also included, the next to last track on side 2 (or track 36 of the download). This version of the end credits is from the first mini-series and so it wraps differently than the end credits in the standard episodes in later seasons.

I imagine that the reason we only get the instrumental version of the main title is the royalty fees needed to pay the narrator and whoever did the vocals, so it was a cost saver.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

One of those could be the very cue you were hoping to hear on the LP edition!

And I'm actually crazy enough to spend the $50 for that cue. Probably not any others, but definitely that one.

I agree; I would've loved to see both JOE and TRANSFORMERS get a proper bells-and-whistles release from La La Land. I read on here a while back that they tried at one point, but Hasbro wasn't interested. So I guess we take what we can get, and just hope for more!

Though again, the fact that I have ANY of this is cause to rejoice as far as I'm concerned!


I just realized that I might be confused about that soundtrack included with the Blackout game... I just assumed it would be on separate CD and yet now that I think about it, it might be music you can only listen to when you play the game itself on a console. If that's the case, I have no gaming console so even if I purchased the game I won't be able to play it to check out the tracks!

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2020 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I bought this Hasbro Presents album on digital and was not impressed with the sound quality. It sounds like they took a rear channel mono source and tried to make it fake stereo. This release should be a cause for celebration but I'm just really disappointed... I'd be furious if I bought this on vinyl.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2020 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

20 bucks for a "digital only" release. No liner notes, no graphics, nothing but a music selection (incomplete). Pure robbery. Shame on Hasbro. I will not buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2020 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   MCRE1201   (Member)

I just realized that I might be confused about that soundtrack included with the Blackout game... I just assumed it would be on separate CD and yet now that I think about it, it might be music you can only listen to when you play the game itself on a console. If that's the case, I have no gaming console so even if I purchased the game I won't be able to play it to check out the tracks!

That's a good point. It's part of the "digital deluxe" edition, so I'm pretty sure there's no CD... but I've been thinking it would be something like an MP3 download from an external site. Hopefully it's not just in-game music! I do have a Nintendo Switch so I could get it if it turns out I need to, but I would still rather just have ready-made MP3s rather than trying to extract the music myself.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2020 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

Checkout this YT video at about 01:29:20 -- the guy talks about the bonus soundtrack and plays 'Full Throttle' for a little bit.

https://youtu.be/NkShS9r_NZQ?t=5364

 
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