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 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   MThiermann670   (Member)

Spiderman lll - Young
The Thing - Morricone
Cape Fear - Herrmann

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)

The Don is Dead
The Rare Breed


Mike M said he’d prepared Rare Breed for Intrada but Williams is not allowing it yet

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Year Of the Comet (rejected)- John Barry
US Marshalls (Goldsmith)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   KeV-McG   (Member)

It's funny how times change.
I remember when US Marshals first came out, everybody seemed to hate it,* or claim it to be bottom tier Goldsmith at least.
Now, it's the most requested expansion in town!

*okay, not hate it, but it certainly wasn't that well regarded at the time.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Varese did give us Dracula over a year ago, so I wouldn’t say it’s improbable for Varese to do The River.

True, though so far that's been a recent exception. All other Varese DEs of the past several years have been expanding titles they do own perpetuity rights on, for the original album.


MACARTHUR. Even if it's a straight reissue of the old disc, I'll gladly have it. Then I can retire happy.

Unless this ends up as a second recent exception, there's no particular reason this should/would come out from Varese rather than Intrada or LLL. The original album came out on MCA I believe (and I know is owned by Universal Music Group) and any additional film tracks would have to be licensed from Universal Pictures. But any label that works with both of those entities could put out a definitive MacArthur.


I want Scream 3!
Or is that a different category? (I never learn this, lol!)


No you've got the right category. The Deluxe Editions of Scream and Scream 2 were both Varese Club titles.


According to various podcasts, a reissue of U.S. MARSHALS and THE RIVER are in the pipeline, so maybe....

Which podcasts? Can you provide links? I'd like to have a listen. Thanks!


Bruce Botnick spilled the beans about U.S. Marshals (and The Swarm) near the end of Part 2 of his interview on Cinematic Sound, several months ago: https://www.mixcloud.com/erik-woods/interview-with-bruce-botnick-part-2/

I don't know where The River was said to be in the pipeline. I'd be interested to hear that one too.

I also don't think Mike actually did work on The Rare Breed yet, though Roger at Intrada confirmed they asked for that along with Storia di Una Donna from Universal and John Williams himself nixed them (as well as Sugarland Express, we know from LLL). Mike then said later that he was optimistic Williams might eventually change his mind, and that he would work to make those happen still. But that doesn't mean he actually executed any work on them.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

It'd be nice to have a remastered/remixed "Twilights Last Gleaming" - I haven't actually seen the film so I don't know if the Silva release is complete...but I have the Silva release and know the score...AND LOVE IT!

I know Douglass mentioned to me once that they are working on Horner's Deadly Blessing. So that would be out.

A complete U.S. Marshalls sounds amazing.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It'd be nice to have a remastered/remixed "Twilights Last Gleaming" - I haven't actually seen the film so I don't know if the Silva release is complete...but I have the Silva release and know the score...AND LOVE IT!

I've heard varying reports from people on this board -- there is *definitely* some music missing (including at least one short highlight cue recorded at a later pickup session apparently), but I think it's anywhere between 30 seconds and 5 minutes, total. I've never seen the film but some day I guess I'll do a Complete Score Breakdown if a definitive version hasn't come out on CD by then.

I know Douglass mentioned to me once that they are working on Horner's Deadly Blessing. So that would be out.

News to me! Intrada has really been kicking ass with premieres lately, haven't they? Another Horner would be a real feather in their cap, though the one I'm most hoping for is for Roger to get his wish and figure out Volunteers.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

US Marshalls would be amazing.

I would also argue that The Eiger Sanction is due for an expansion/remaster in it's own right. Listening to the OG Varese release right now - this score stood alongside JAWS in it's texture and execution. A masterpiece on it's own accord certainly worthy of at least a CD Club release - and NOT a silly encore release. Give us the full score!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

It'd be nice to have a remastered/remixed "Twilights Last Gleaming" - I haven't actually seen the film so I don't know if the Silva release is complete...but I have the Silva release and know the score...AND LOVE IT!

I've heard varying reports from people on this board -- there is *definitely* some music missing (including at least one short highlight cue recorded at a later pickup session apparently), but I think it's anywhere between 30 seconds and 5 minutes, total. I've never seen the film but some day I guess I'll do a Complete Score Breakdown if a definitive version hasn't come out on CD by then.

I know Douglass mentioned to me once that they are working on Horner's Deadly Blessing. So that would be out.

News to me! Intrada has really been kicking ass with premieres lately, haven't they? Another Horner would be a real feather in their cap, though the one I'm most hoping for is for Roger to get his wish and figure out Volunteers.

Yavar


Hell to the YES on that one, Yavar! :-)

Doug and Roger both informed me that there is more to Jaws 2 that they would like to work with Williams on releasing, in addition to The Sugarland Express. So if the Gods be kind we may just get them WITHOUT losing Williams in the process!

As for Horner, we also discussed the possibility of Volunteers, and The Hand in addition to Deadly Blessing. All three are worthy of a release - I don't think any of them have been officially released, save for "Blessing" on the ponytail unmentionable.

Lastly, Roger also informed me that they have acquired Small's tapes to The Stepford Wives, so this masterpiece along with Conan: The Destroyer are most my most desired from Intrada...whenever they may be.

I am still hopeing for Marshalls and Eiger!

:-D

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

It'd be nice to have a remastered/remixed "Twilights Last Gleaming" - I haven't actually seen the film so I don't know if the Silva release is complete...but I have the Silva release and know the score...AND LOVE IT!

I've heard varying reports from people on this board -- there is *definitely* some music missing (including at least one short highlight cue recorded at a later pickup session apparently), but I think it's anywhere between 30 seconds and 5 minutes, total. I've never seen the film but some day I guess I'll do a Complete Score Breakdown if a definitive version hasn't come out on CD by then.


Yavar


I love your score breakdowns! So this would be most welcome.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I love your score breakdowns! So this would be most welcome.

Oh thanks! I actually have several others that I've done in the past several years, including Goldsmith's Ransom...and even branched out into non-Goldsmith with The Secret Garden (Presiner). But the latter I did handwritten (don't ask why) and never typed it up, and the former I need to finish matching up against the existing album to find out how much unreleased music there is, and I've never gotten around to it. All my free time for the past two years has been taken up with my podcast The Goldsmith Odyssey (for which I've basically had to do Complete Score Breakdowns for regularly, so if you enjoy those, you should explore the podcast where they kind of end up in audio form)... www.goldsmithodyssey.com

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   hollywoodvegas   (Member)

My guess is...

Army Of Darkness - Danny Elfman

Hackers - Simon Boswell

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

MACARTHUR. Even if it's a straight reissue of the old disc, I'll gladly have it. Then I can retire happy.

Unless this ends up as a second recent exception, there's no particular reason this should/would come out from Varese rather than Intrada or LLL. The original album came out on MCA I believe (and I know is owned by Universal Music Group) and any additional film tracks would have to be licensed from Universal Pictures. But any label that works with both of those entities could put out a definitive MacArthur.



Wasn't that the situation with DRACULA, though? Original album on MCA, and Varese CD release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

Never mind the club releases, I just looked at the site and saw Hackers is coming out in June as a double CD with Simon Boswell's score on it along with the original OST!! smile smile smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Wasn't that the situation with DRACULA, though? Original album on MCA, and Varese CD release.

Correct -- that's why I said "second exception". Dracula: The Deluxe Edition is the only time in the past half decade or more (maybe full decade) that Varese has produced an expanded Deluxe Edition of a score they did not control perpetuity rights for on the original album. As I understand it, there were particular circumstances that brought this about (somehow Varese themselves had the tape source for the complete score, I think Mike Mattesino explained in a podcast).

Many years ago they did it occasionally, as with Stargate, Damien: Omen II, Poltergeist II: The Other Side, The Fury, etc. all titles that they expanded without producing the original album. But that was quite some time ago now. Dracula was definitely an exception and MacArthur if they released it would be a second. I personally suspect MacArthur is more likely to come from Intrada or LLL or heck maybe even Quartet, but if Varese puts out a definitive edition of it instead you certainly won't see me complaining!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

Wasn't that the situation with DRACULA, though? Original album on MCA, and Varese CD release.

Correct -- that's why I said "second exception". Dracula: The Deluxe Edition is the only time in the past half decade or more (maybe full decade) that Varese has produced an expanded Deluxe Edition of a score they did not control perpetuity rights for on the original album. As I understand it, there were particular circumstances that brought this about (somehow Varese themselves had the tape source for the complete score, I think Mike Mattesino explained in a podcast).

Many years ago they did it occasionally, as with Stargate, Damien: Omen II, Poltergeist II: The Other Side, The Fury, etc. all titles that they expanded without producing the original album. But that was quite some time ago now. Dracula was definitely an exception and MacArthur if they released it would be a second. I personally suspect MacArthur is more likely to come from Intrada or LLL or heck maybe even Quartet, but if Varese puts out a definitive edition of it instead you certainly won't see me complaining!

Yavar


I know it's been said before, but we REALLY need (for the final A-List Goldsmith canon) Supergirl and Legend. Both scores are just etheral to me and need what we all are calling the "Matessino" touch! I would personally love it if Intrada or LLL did SG, and even Legend.

I bring this up here because I know both scores were released in their OG forms, on Varese. Though Legend I have yet to hear their version, and Supergirl was very ratty and I believe unmastered if I read correctly?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Are these being announced at 1:00 EST as usual, or will it be announced at a different time what with the way the pandemic is affecting everything?

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I know it's been said before, but we REALLY need (for the final A-List Goldsmith canon) Supergirl and Legend. Both scores are just etheral to me and need what we all are calling the "Matessino" touch! I would personally love it if Intrada or LLL did SG, and even Legend.

I bring this up here because I know both scores were released in their OG forms, on Varese. Though Legend I have yet to hear their version, and Supergirl was very ratty and I believe unmastered if I read correctly?


You have yet to hear their version because it does not exist. smile Here are all the releases of the score:

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/1983/Legend

Supergirl is a messy situation. Varese did put out the initial album back in the 80s but that was before they reserved perpetuity rights as a matter of course on their releases (they still got them for certain re-recordings they produced, like Pee-Wee's Big Adventure by Elfman, Brainstorm by Horner, or Eye of the Needle by Rozsa). Their album was missing certain synths and sweeteners and may have had some mastering issues, I'm not sure. But a lot of people prefer their album to the subsequent Silva Screen expansion in the 90s, which has its own issues. You probably got confused about Legend because Silva Screen also expanded that title in the 90s (see also Rambo: First Blood Part II), but it was never Varese.

It's unclear whether Silva Screen still holds perpetuity rights on the two titles. They used to have the rights for Rambo but I believe those expired at some point, allowing Intrada to produce their new edition in the past few years. I think it's possible their rights expired on Supergirl as well, and maybe we will get a definitive edition as you hope. But with Legend it may not matter: expanded album producer James Fitzpatrick has said on this forum more than once that their expanded single CD edition included all of the score they had available in good quality. There is an unmentionable of the score which includes the missing cues, but it has very poor sound...sadly barring a miracle this is probably how the score will remain, just like with Link from roughly the same era.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I know it's been said before, but we REALLY need (for the final A-List Goldsmith canon) Supergirl and Legend. Both scores are just etheral to me and need what we all are calling the "Matessino" touch! I would personally love it if Intrada or LLL did SG, and even Legend.

I bring this up here because I know both scores were released in their OG forms, on Varese. Though Legend I have yet to hear their version, and Supergirl was very ratty and I believe unmastered if I read correctly?


You have yet to hear their version because it does not exist. smile Here are all the releases of the score:

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/1983/Legend

Supergirl is a messy situation. Varese did put out the initial album back in the 80s but that was before they reserved perpetuity rights as a matter of course on their releases (they still got them for certain re-recordings they produced, like Pee-Wee's Big Adventure by Elfman, Brainstorm by Horner, or Eye of the Needle by Rozsa). Their album was missing certain synths and sweeteners and may have had some mastering issues, I'm not sure. But a lot of people prefer their album to the subsequent Silva Screen expansion in the 90s, which has its own issues. You probably got confused about Legend because Silva Screen also expanded that title in the 90s (see also Rambo: First Blood Part II), but it was never Varese.

It's unclear whether Silva Screen still holds perpetuity rights on the two titles. They used to have the rights for Rambo but I believe those expired at some point, allowing Intrada to produce their new edition in the past few years. I think it's possible their rights expired on Supergirl as well, and maybe we will get a definitive edition as you hope. But with Legend it may not matter: expanded album producer James Fitzpatrick has said on this forum more than once that their expanded single CD edition included all of the score they had available in good quality. There is an unmentionable of the score which includes the missing cues, but it has very poor sound...sadly barring a miracle this is probably how the score will remain, just like with Link from roughly the same era.

Yavar


Careful what you state as fact, some of this is not true. I know you like to give a ton of info on almost every post on every forum through the net, but make sure you know 100% before stating full on facts smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2020 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

According to various podcasts, a reissue of U.S. MARSHALS and THE RIVER are in the pipeline, so maybe....

Which podcasts? Can you provide links? I'd like to have a listen. Thanks!

Bruce Botnick spilled the beans about U.S. Marshals (and The Swarm) near the end of Part 2 of his interview on Cinematic Sound, several months ago: https://www.mixcloud.com/erik-woods/interview-with-bruce-botnick-part-2/

I don't know where The River was said to be in the pipeline. I'd be interested to hear that one too.


THE BATON episode on THE RIVER mentioned something was in the works.

 
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