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 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

You're right. I like JOHN CARTER (when I'm in the mood for it), and I think LOST works in context. The rest he's done is just 'The Emperor's New Clothes', and it irritates me from here to high heaven that people don't see what a hack he is. The irritation just grows higher for each franchise he takes over, like this one.

The Thorian Blindspot

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Not sure about genius, but Levi has more talent in her pinky toe than all of Giacchino's work combined.



So that's what it means!

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

THOR hates him.

That's the understatement of the year. Although, to be fair, it only applies to his "music", not the person.


The Haga Equivocation

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I think this is interesting news and I'm pleased that Giacchino is scoring this. The negative attitude toward Giacchino is surprising to me. The man writes orchestral music with real instruments. He is currently one of very few people in the business that knows how to do this now. How can anybody claim to be a film music fan and not find something of interest in his music? As a film music fan, I celebrate any news of any composer who can write reasonably well written music with an orchestra that has some emotion and energy to it. Even Thor said he liked John Carter. Maybe Thor should wait till the Batman score comes out before he complains about it. I also think some of Giacchino's problem is he needs to get a recording engineer like Shawn Murphy to record his scores. Most of them have a very boxed in sound which contributes to the "clinical" sound.

I like Giacchino as a composer, but I don't love him. I think his music is very whimsical and usually his scores have very little weight. Another thing is, I don't think Giacchino can write an action scene that well. His action scoring is all the same and becomes typical from movie to movie.

But regardless, I don't understand your logic when you said, "How can anybody claim to be a film music fan and not find something of interest in his music." Film music doesn't have to be classical music. Writing film music is not writing a symphony. I mean, I love orchestral music when done right, but I can totally see some film music fans liking electronic music instead for example.

I also don't understand why you feel like he is one of few who can write orchestral music with "real instruments." Virtually every top tier composer (Williams, Howard, Elfman, Zimmer, McCreary, Kallis, Shore, etc.) can do this. Not to mention all the great international composers.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 8:55 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Not sure about genius, but Levi has more talent in her pinky toe than all of Giacchino's work combined.

The Thorian Delineation

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Gotta say I'm happy about this assignment over ANY of the superhero scores Zimmer and his minions have shat out over these past years.
At its worst, it should still have more than two notes, sound as if it was actually written or thought out and match the emotional changes actually happening onscreen, unlike many of the Zimmer shits, especially that stunted, inert X-Men Dark Phoenix score that killed the film stone dead.
Bring it on, Michael Cappuccino.


The McGann Malefaction

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Even when Zimmer isn't involved in a project he gets slammed.

Pretty sad.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Even when Zimmer isn't involved in a project he gets slammed.

Pretty sad.


The Marshall Commiseration

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"Taking over the franchises?" Hans Zimmer has been droing out scores (or assigning them to his cost writers) for most of the non-MCU super hero films over the last few years. 3 Batman films, 1 Spider-Man, 1 X-Men, Batman V Superman, Man of Steel....get a grip.


:.." .Hans Zimmer is great..".


If only Thor had stopped THERE!

"...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:32 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Took them long enough to confirm this. Anyways I'm not bothered by this news at all. And am very much looking forward to what Giacchino brings to a Batman film, which will supposedly be more of a detective noir story according to Reeves. Speaking of Matt Reeves his films usually allows Giacchino to distinguish his scores from most of his blockbuster output. Plus it's Batman I doubt it'll sound like his Doctor Strange or Spider-Man scores, which are fun scores in their own right. I'm just pleased that we'll finally get a Batman score that deviates from the MV/RC approach that has plagued these batfilms for nearly 15 years. Long overdue, imo.

How creative.

Listen, I've got nothing against Giacchino or his music. I enjoy quite a few of his scores, but I'd love to get away from the same handful of go-to composers that present day producers think are the only ones capable of writing action.


Well Matt Reeves and Giacchino are friends/collaborators so that's how Giacchino got the scoring gig for The Batman. It wasn't the producers.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2019 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   Roy Donga   (Member)


Bring it on, Michael Cappuccino.


I think you’ll find it’s Michael Guacamole. We’ve all been pronouncing it wrong after Trump’s introduction of him last night!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 2:34 AM   
 By:   KeV-McG   (Member)

I'm not slamming Zimmer, Mr Marshmallow (well, maybe a little bit), but merely pointing out that anyone moaning about MG scoring the new Batman film needs to get a grip and remember the lazy, dull and uninspired scores that the Zimmer Factory vomited up for previous efforts.

This one will have heart, emotion...hell, it'll even have a THEME!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Well at least this'll be scored instead of sound designed.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, surely you enjoy Giacchino's work on Star Trek 2009?

No. But the theme is decent for a Giacchino composition.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)

I keep wondering if Thor's distaste for Giacchino is real or if he's just mirroring the general distaste for Zimmer & Co. other members show around here. The rhetoric is quite similar...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

At least, i'm if the only one who likes every score in the Batman franchise.

I hope Giacchino gets a better superheroe score (aside from Doctor Strange) this time, specially that two okeyish score for Spider-Man.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   EvilDead   (Member)

Awesome "news" - if you can call it that. Pretty much expected given their history together.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   KeV-McG   (Member)

Aye, it's a bit like someone telling us Alan Silvestri is scoring the new Robert Zemeckis film.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

"Taking over the franchises?" Hans Zimmer has been droing out scores (or assigning them to his cost writers) for most of the non-MCU super hero films over the last few years. 3 Batman films, 1 Spider-Man, 1 X-Men, Batman V Superman, Man of Steel....get a grip.

The difference is: Hans Zimmer is great. Michael Giacchino is the greatest hack in the history of film music.


Hyperbole much?

From all the thousands of composers who ever scored a film in the history of cinema, Giacchino is the greatest hack? Really? When people say stuff like this I find it hard to ever take them seriously again.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2019 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   willymcnilly   (Member)

I think this is interesting news and I'm pleased that Giacchino is scoring this. The negative attitude toward Giacchino is surprising to me. The man writes orchestral music with real instruments. He is currently one of very few people in the business that knows how to do this now. How can anybody claim to be a film music fan and not find something of interest in his music? As a film music fan, I celebrate any news of any composer who can write reasonably well written music with an orchestra that has some emotion and energy to it. Even Thor said he liked John Carter. Maybe Thor should wait till the Batman score comes out before he complains about it. I also think some of Giacchino's problem is he needs to get a recording engineer like Shawn Murphy to record his scores. Most of them have a very boxed in sound which contributes to the "clinical" sound.

I like Giacchino as a composer, but I don't love him. I think his music is very whimsical and usually his scores have very little weight. Another thing is, I don't think Giacchino can write an action scene that well. His action scoring is all the same and becomes typical from movie to movie.

But regardless, I don't understand your logic when you said, "How can anybody claim to be a film music fan and not find something of interest in his music." Film music doesn't have to be classical music. Writing film music is not writing a symphony. I mean, I love orchestral music when done right, but I can totally see some film music fans liking electronic music instead for example.

I also don't understand why you feel like he is one of few who can write orchestral music with "real instruments." Virtually every top tier composer (Williams, Howard, Elfman, Zimmer, McCreary, Kallis, Shore, etc.) can do this. Not to mention all the great international composers.


My logic was stemming from my presumption that most people like film music for its intellectual depth, colour, power, and emotion. For me, an orchestra can best supply that. Sure, some people like electronic music more than orchestral, but I was suggesting that every film music fan should try to find something of worth in any composer's work.

I suppose I feel that Giacchino is one of the few who can write with "real instruments" because he is constantly using orchestras whereas other composers choose not to for whatever reason. Perhaps like you say, every composer is capable of writing for orchestras (I await Zimmer's symphonic compositions with eagerness), but they choose not to.

 
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