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Anything who thinks Zimmer is incapable of good music should just take a few minutes to listen to his PLANET EARTH II and THE PACIFIC themes.
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Can’t blame Zimmer, Nolan is an over-rated, hack, emperor’s new clothes filmmaker. I will never understand how he has amassed such critical and commercial popularity. Pretentious, bland and certainly not a visionary. Is shooting in big gauge format like Imax means his films have this over reliance on tableaux, master shots which don’t transfer well when downsized to smaller mediums such as standard theatre releases and home formats. Not to mention terrible editing. The Dark Knight trilogy was turgid slice of hokum, swapping out imagination and style for pondering solemnity to curry gravitas.
All those critics praising the real world ethos yet it contradicted its own internal logic of reality by having a black over turned skip masquerading as a bat tank run over a tiled roof without falling through. Or having a black lobster bat plane, (with the aerodynamics of a brick), escort a nuclear bomb out of Gotham Bay with minutes to detonation. Managing to traverse several miles of sea in those minutes without the blast radius or the fall out affecting the city. Not to mention Wayne jettisons out of the Black Lobster with just his glider cloak and he too escapes the blast unhurt. Yeah, commendations for the realistic world setting. Shite.
Denis Villeneuve is a far more impressive director and proper visionary. Incidentally this isn’t Anglo bashing, I am a UK resident but would prefer Canadian Villeneuve’s oeuvre any day over Nolan’s. Rant over. Zimmer made the right choice. I dare say this will make the sheep go apoplectic.
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Jun 25, 2020 - 3:43 PM
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Can’t blame Zimmer, Nolan is an over-rated, hack, emperor’s new clothes filmmaker. I will never understand how he has amassed such critical and commercial popularity. Pretentious, bland and certainly not a visionary. Is shooting in big gauge format like Imax means his films have this over reliance on tableaux, master shots which don’t transfer well when downsized to smaller mediums such as standard theatre releases and home formats. Not to mention terrible editing. The Dark Knight trilogy was turgid slice of hokum, swapping out imagination and style for pondering solemnity to curry gravitas.
All those critics praising the real world ethos yet it contradicted its own internal logic of reality by having a black over turned skip masquerading as a bat tank run over a tiled roof without falling through. Or having a black lobster bat plane, (with the aerodynamics of a brick), escort a nuclear bomb out of Gotham Bay with minutes to detonation. Managing to traverse several miles of sea in those minutes without the blast radius or the fall out affecting the city. Not to mention Wayne jettisons out of the Black Lobster with just his glider cloak and he too escapes the blast unhurt. Yeah, commendations for the realistic world setting. Shite.
Denis Villeneuve is a far more impressive director and proper visionary. Incidentally this isn’t Anglo bashing, I am a UK resident but would prefer Canadian Villeneuve’s oeuvre any day over Nolan’s. Rant over. Zimmer made the right choice. I dare say this will make the sheep go apoplectic.
Okay, guy.
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Zimmer states:
Right now I’m in the middle of making these sounds,” Zimmer said. “I just have these ideas, and it’s like this every day. I’m doing all these experiments, and I have no idea if any of them will ever really end up in the movie. But we are so dedicated, trying to do something different, to do solid and honorable work, and do justice to the book.”
I really like the whole notion of doing "honorable work." I'm curious about how this score will play. However, I'm a bit disconcerted about Zimmer stating that he is "making these sounds." Of course, I expect sound effects in this score. Still, I want him to also be writing MUSIC for this book not just sound effects. It has been a long time since I read the novel, but I believe parts of it do lend itself to some thematic music.
I just read the book for a third time since picking it up for the first time 30 or so years ago. Do parts of it lend themselves to thematic music? The entire book, from cover to cover, lends itself to oodles of thematic music. The vast array of characters and worlds and civilizations and intrigue and plot, etc. practically begs that from the music.
"Making these sounds" has me worried. Trusting that Villaneuve knows what he is doing (and Blade Runner 2049 gives me hope), Dune needs something big and epic and on a grand scale, not all that different from Shore's LOTR.
What this film needs is a vast amount of themes and motifs and leitmotifs, not sounds.
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Can’t blame Zimmer, Nolan is an over-rated, hack, emperor’s new clothes filmmaker. I will never understand how he has amassed such critical and commercial popularity. Pretentious, bland and certainly not a visionary.
No I am not a SHEEP, but thanks for playing. Not apoplectic either.
I am a true CINEFILE. I am also an actor.
I NEED to address this post. I usually don't, but this one NEEDS to be addressed.
One Question:
Do you prefer to watch a movie in a theater, or at home/on a laptop/on a phone???
The reason I ask is because Christopher Nolan's films have SINGLEHANDEDLY saved the theater industry.
Also, Nolan is the reason that IMAX 70mm film is still around! His films are THEATRICAL films. They are meant to be seen on a MASSIVE screen.
Have you ever SEEN a Nolan film on a TRUE IMAX screen in 70mm?? It is the equivalent of 18k in digital resolution. Yeah. I drove four hours one way TWICE to see "Dunkirk" in 70mm. Why? Not because it was the best film I had ever seen, but because 80% of the movie was SHOT on IMAX film!
Do you have any idea how hard it is to shoot with an IMAX film camera? They weigh about four times the weight of a regular camera, they are loud as heck, and they can only film a few minutes of footage at a time before the mag needs changing! IMO, Hoyte Van Hoytema is one of the most amazing DP's working today.
Now on to Nolan. To say "Nolan is an over-rated, hack, emperor’s new clothes filmmaker. I will never understand how he has amassed such critical and commercial popularity. Pretentious, bland and certainly not a visionary." is completely injudicious. See, I can use big words too! (insert EYE ROLL here)
Have you SEEN any of Nolan's films? Good gosh man. If the only movie he ever did was INCEPTION, that would be enough. He not only directed Inception, but he WROTE it. That means he is TEN times smarter than you.
But wait! He also WROTE "Interstellar", "Memento", "Dunkirk" (which wasn't his best work, but it's better than YOUR films)and "Following"!
He cowrote the Dark Knight trilogy, which if you have ever seen a Batman movie, you know that those are the best THREE Batman films made so far. It was Nolan's idea to cast Heath Ledger as the Joker. His idea to cast Tom Hardy as Bane.
He also cowrote "The Prestige" and directed it. That is a GREAT film.
So tired of NO TALENT CLOWNS hating on someone who came from NOTHING, made two small budget independent films and was then handed the reins to the biggest superhero franchise in existence. What was Warner Brothers thinking???
Yeah, he sucks. ROFL!!
As far as Zimmer goes, he can hit, and he can miss. When he misses, it's usually not good.
However, when he hits, he hits OUT OF THE PARK.
"The Dark Knight" is completely ORIGINAL and it is half of that movie. Fantastic score.
Here is a LIST of Zimmer's BEST scores:
"Blade Runner 2049"
"Hidden Figures"
"Interstellar"
"Rush"
"12 Years a Slave"
"Rango"
"Inception"
"Sherlock Holmes"
"The Last Samurai"
"Matchstick Men"
"Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron"
"Black Hawk Down"
"Invincible"
"Gladiator"
"The Thin Red Line"
"The Prince of Egypt"
"As Good as It Gets"
"Crimson Tide"
"The Lion King"
"True Romance"
"A League of Their Own"
"The Power of One"
"Regarding Henry"
"Backdraft"
"Thelma & Louise"
"Days of Thunder"
"Driving Miss Daisy"
"Black Rain"
Take a look at the difference in the style, tone, etc. of each film. Yep, sucks. LOL!
I personally am looking forward to hearing what he does with
"Wonder Woman 1984", "Top Gun: Maverick" w/ Harold Faltermeyer, "Dune" my most anticipated film to see this year, "Hillbilly Elegy", and the newest BOND film "No Time to Die".
Oh, and he did all of those in the SAME YEAR. Yep, NO TALENT AT ALL.
It's strange that the top directors, producers, etc. keep HIRING this horrible composer.
Seriously?
Haters are going to hate, and you sir are a definite hater.
So, just curious, which films have YOU written a score for?
The prosecution rests your honor.
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Jun 25, 2020 - 9:18 PM
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The Prestige is one I have seen. Two guys attempting to out-do each other by skill and ingenuity is okay. The out of kilter fantasy twist that suddenly became apparent at the end, however, made me want to laugh. The investment of dramatic quality in those guys trying to top each other throughout the film was seriously trashed by the sci-fi/fantasy ending which, incidentally, makes a complete mockery of the real science Nikola Tesla stood for. The twist itself was so twisted after all that preamble I just could not be bothered due to the underwhelming, cheat infested ending. It's like the whodunnit where you're patiently making notes to logically deduce who the culprit is, only for the director to latterly produce a red herring out of a rabbit hat. There are a lot of people on this board who would undoubtedly agree that this 'wonky' sense of qualilty which permeates throughout Nolan's work means it keeps on falling short of the mark. I saw Interstellar at the Royal Albert Hall (Interstellar Live) and there were aspects of the film that were interesting, but that flat shortfall feeling was there, sure as ever. I hope this criticism is taken in the right spirit.
Can you imagine after all the harsh reality seen in Papillon, we get right to the end only to see McQueen discover a magic carpet that he uses to escape the prison island. Or the Shawshank Redemption twist at the end being due to a sudden unexplained teleportation event that allows the escape to take place. It just doesn't even bear contemplating. The Prestige had a sense of hard reality about it that was consistent, then suddenly deviated in a way that was completely at odds with the bulk of what had gone before. My personal dramatic investment was on those two protagonists being in the real world, but which had the rug completely pulled away by the fantasy conclusion. It must work for some, but not all.
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Dunkirk is 10 times a better movie with that score deleted.
It is one of the worst scores to picture ever, in the very top worst movie destroying scores ever.
Specially WHEN people DON'T UNDERSTAND why the music is like that in the movie.
Nolan/Zimmer never wanted a classical score for starters (think about Saving Private Ryan, Spielberg and Williams according not use music in the warfare sequences, BUT in the emotional moments, use music, as a drive for the emotional core of the movie, now, in reverse for Dunkirk), they wanted a score to destroy the audiences' nerves, a aggresive, gritty and oppresive music (or more accurate, sound design), and Dunkirk acomplish that, really, really well.
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