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 Posted:   Jan 4, 2021 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

FTR the real reason why there hasn't been (and probably never will be) a definitive Twilight Zone set is because the CBS Music Library was donated to UCLA which charges a hefty sum to go find the tapes and make copies of them.

Until a connection is made, and a relationship is formed, and then they are released. Think of all the "It'll never happen" releases we've seen in the last 25-or-so years.


Who would be willing to raid UCLA and ransack their archives? "Hand over the entire CBS Library, Ma'am, and nobody will get hurt. We only came for the tapes."

Then we'd send the tapes out to a James Nelson or a Chris Malone and tell them to 'git crackin'. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2021 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

"Jerry Goldsmith's The Twilight Zone" and "Jerry Goldsmith's Thriller". Two multi-disc box sets found only in...the Twilight Zone.

 
 Posted:   Jan 6, 2021 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

My guess is that 'special' might refer to a Jack Cookerly organ.

That would be the same organ used on Perchance to Dream and World of Difference then.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

For those of you who own the 4CD set, do the liner notes say anything about which episodes featured John Williams as pianist?

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

For those of you who own the 4CD set, do the liner notes say anything about which episodes featured John Williams as pianist?

It's the kind of surprise I think I'd've remembered, so I don't think so, but if no one chimes in, I'll check after work tonight and get back to you (some 8 hours hence).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I see.

There's nothing on any Williams fansites or forums. All I know is that he played piano on one or more of Herrmann's ZONE scores. I don't know which ones, how many, or if he also played on scores by other composers.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

There are no piano parts on any of Bernard Herrmann's TZ Scores.

Anyway all the scores on the four disc were recorded outside the United States with scab orchestras so I doubt he played on any of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

There are no piano parts on any of Bernard Herrmann's TZ Scores.

There is celesta on "The Outer Space Suite."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Anyway all the scores on the four disc were recorded outside the United States with scab orchestras so I doubt he played on any of them.

No, it's more or less a fact that he played on TWILIGHT ZONE, and on Herrmann's score(s), but the extent of it is something we don't yet know.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Anyway all the scores on the four disc were recorded outside the United States with scab orchestras so I doubt he played on any of them.

No, it's more or less a fact that he played on TWILIGHT ZONE, and on Herrmann's score(s), but the extent of it is something we don't yet know.


The only option would be celeste on Living Doll which was after ASCAP nailed CBS for their union circumvention methods.

I've never seen John Williams play woodwinds which is what Ninety Years Without Slumbering was written entirely for.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)


There is celesta on "The Outer Space Suite."


That's technically not a TZ Score and it was recorded in Mexico with non-ASCAPers.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks! Perhaps it was celeste, then.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


There is celesta on "The Outer Space Suite."

That's technically not a TZ Score and it was recorded in Mexico with non-ASCAPers.


Do we know that it was not recorded more than once?

And if it is used in "The Twilight Zone," I consider it technically a "Twilight Zone" score. Your threshold may be different from mine.

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Sometimes - I don't know with what frequency -- some series would re-record cues.

As noted in one of the "CHiPs" volumes, during the musician's strike, already recorded cues were re-recorded.

In FSM's article on the scoring of "The Streets of San Francisco", it's noted that some scores were re-recorded.

For example, off the top of my head.



Re-recorded TTZ cues could have different musicians and different recording locations.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Thanks! Perhaps it was celeste, then.

Well, BH's "The Stars" for The Lonely deployed a glockenspiel and if it was a keyboard glock...

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2021 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Sometimes - I don't know with what frequency -- some series would re-record cues.

As noted in one of the "CHiPs" volumes, during the musician's strike, already recorded cues were re-recorded.

In FSM's article on the scoring of "The Streets of San Francisco", it's noted that some scores were re-recorded.

For example, off the top of my head.



Re-recorded TTZ cues could have different musicians and different recording locations.


TZ cues were never rerecorded. The music cues that were recycled adnausem were all made outside of the US. In the case of episodes with their scores recorded at Television City (Four of Us Are Dying, Purple Testament, Monsters Are Due on Maple Street, etc.), those scores never appeared as library tracks in future episodes.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Facts, scabs and ad nauseam. There must be something worthwhile amongst it all ... something to look forward to.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

And if it is used in "The Twilight Zone," I consider it technically a "Twilight Zone" score. Your threshold may be different from mine.

Then is it also a Fugitive score, a Have Gun Will Travel score, a Rawhide score, etc? These cues were reused through a variety of CBS shows.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

And if it is used in "The Twilight Zone," I consider it technically a "Twilight Zone" score. Your threshold may be different from mine.

Then is it also a Fugitive score, a Have Gun Will Travel score, a Rawhide score, etc? These cues were reused through a variety of CBS shows.

Yavar


Absolutely. The experience of the viewer is what counts, not the intent of the composer.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2021 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

And if it is used in "The Twilight Zone," I consider it technically a "Twilight Zone" score. Your threshold may be different from mine.

Then is it also a Fugitive score, a Have Gun Will Travel score, a Rawhide score, etc? These cues were reused through a variety of CBS shows.

Yavar


Pretty sure I heard Time Suspense once while Paul Drake was sneaking around an abandoned building.

 
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