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 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I can't argue either of your points, and well put. smile

When I think of great Spider-man stories I think about the death of Gwen, Kraven...I also really liked a lot of the J. Michael Straczynski run.

He was also in my favorite superhero story ever, the Avengers/Mar-Vell/Warlock/Thing/Thanos Final Threat from the late 70s.

Damn I miss Mar-Vell, he's one of my favorites. I bought all of those Starlin issues when I was a little kid. Most of the other kids were buying Batman, Justice League, Spider-man. I was buying stuff like Tomb of Dracula, Warlock, Avengers. Later on the Dark Phoenix was a favorite..I was buying that story as it came out and let me tell you, it was appreciated immediately. Hope the movie comes out soon.

Aw geez, we HADDA start talking about Marvel! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU:

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU:



That's what I mean by exhilarating: suspense, action

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU:


Sounds like generic trailer music.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU:


Sounds like generic trailer music.


That's fine. However, some of us, and I realize it's a minority, believe that the cue is, as WA already put it, exhilarating and works beautifully alongside the end credits.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU:


Sounds like generic trailer music.


That's fine. However, some of us, and I realize it's a minority, believe that the cue is, as WA already put it, exhilarating and works beautifully alongside the end credits.


I love it! It's a descendant of the Zimmer school, but I really like how the processing worked to that cue's advantage. Somebody who knew what they were doing was twiddling with the attack and release on the compressor, to an enervating degree.

And I love the WS movie, definitely a top three Marvel for me.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It's a Meyerson thing (in France).

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU

Yes. Henry Jackman is great. His THR Composer Roundtable with Silvestri and others is a blast.
His music is great.

And if we're talking Best Cues in the MCU, I'll start at the beginning.
I know Djawadi gets a lot of hate but he's in my top 2 or 3 favorites working now.
His score and this cue from Iron Man were a huge factor in my love of this movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   SoldierofFortune   (Member)

"Taking a Stand" from Winter Soldier is among the best cues in the MCU

Yes. Henry Jackman is great. His THR Composer Roundtable with Silvestri and others is a blast.
His music is great.

And if we're talking Best Cues in the MCU, I'll start at the beginning.
I know Djawadi gets a lot of hate but he's in my top 2 or 3 favorites working now.
His score and this cue from Iron Man were a huge factor in my love of this movie.



I have to listen again Iron Man, but for the moment, I prefer IM2 & IM3

But yes, that cue for Winter Soldier is great and I like the score (also LOVE the First Avenger by Silvestri)

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2018 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Yes. Henry Jackman is great. His THR Composer Roundtable with Silvestri and others is a blast.
    His music is great.

    And if we're talking Best Cues in the MCU, I'll start at the beginning.
    I know Djawadi gets a lot of hate but he's in my top 2 or 3 favorites working now.
    His score and this cue from Iron Man were a huge factor in my love of this movie.



    I much prefer the Monaco sequence with Debney's heroic theme emerging most of all, though Tyler's third score is favored (mainly because it keeps repeating the motif ad nauseum until it becomes "memorable"). Djawadi (indicative of Remote Control writ large) wishes he could rock. His rhythms and melodies are too static and the lack of a lead guitarist only amplifies this, far from the rebellious spirit of Stark specifically and rock generally. Should've hired Sepultura, or even temped it with Carpenter/Anthrax's Ghosts of Mars.

    Though I do like Djawadi's work on Fright Night.

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     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 5:18 AM   
     By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

    Here’s my MCU score card, thus far;

    IRON MAN (2008). I don’t recall much about this score, other than the faux rock n roll aspects of it and the AC/DC songs. Film was VERY enjoyable and a solid start to the franchise.

    THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008). Much better than the Ang Lee film and Craig Armstrong’s score is a real winner, marrying his take on the modern action sound to his lovely classical string sensibilities. I play this double CD a lot.

    IRON MAN 2 (2010). Didn’t like the film, but Debney’s Goldsmith-inspired main theme is great and deserves a better film. The rest of the score is a bit functional at best.

    THOR (2011). I know it’s very much hated around these parts, but I LOVE Doyle’s visit to the Remote Control Factory. He’s too good a composer not to take basic materials and meld them into something cool and he does it here…in spades. A roaring, anthemic main theme, gorgeous love theme and he even incorporates his own style in some of the action licks (just listen to The Compound). The film is a lot of fun too.

    CAPTAIN AMERICA: FIRST AVENGER (2011). I enjoyed this film too. Great fun. Rip-roaring adventure. Silvestri’s score is patchy, but the highlights are really good. Love the main theme. Shame the main march rendition of it missed the CD!

    AVENGERS: ASSEMBLE (2012). More big fun. More big Silvestri. Like the Cap film, the score’s a bit hit and miss. But another great main theme and the film is a blast.

    IRON MAN 3 (2013). Big stupid fun film supported by a Big stupid fun score. What’s not to like?

    THOR: DARK WORLD (2014). Big ponderous dull film supported by a Big, ponderous dull score. A big dud in the MCU for me.

    CAPT AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER (2014). Bleak, icy paranoia thriller. Pretty good walk on the wild side. Can’t remember a great deal about the score. Maybe due a revisit?

    GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (2014). Great, irreverent, goofy fun. Just what the Dr ordered. The best film score Tyler Bates had ever written (until his sequel score).

    AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON (2015). I can see why people are disappointed in this film, but I remember enjoying it at the flicks. Overlong..yes. Overwrought..yes. But still. Interesting hybrid score by Elfman and Tyler. Hit AND miss on all counts.

    ANT-MAN (2015). Together with DR STRANGE, my vote for BEST and MOST INVENTIVE score in the MCU so far. Beck just nails EVERY MOMENT with his note perfect score. Light, frothy fun film too!

    CAPT AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (2016). Marvel Superhero fatigue was starting to kick in with me by this film. I don't remember much about the film or score. Is this the one with the silly Russia/city block lifting finale?

    DR STRANGE (2016). Like ANT-MAN, the film is a much needed walk on the alt/strange side and MG writes up a storm. His psychadelic/prog rock inspired music is spot on and aids the film immeasurably. I could argue that Giacchino has written two of the best Marvel main themes with this and his Spidey theme. Really liked the film too.

    GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL 2 (2017). I didn’t enjoy this film as much as the first one, but still had a whole lotta fun. One thing that did up it’s game was the score. Even more thrilling and emotional than the first one. The no-show score CD was the first bad sign for us luddites!

    SPIDERMAN: HOMECOMING (2017). I had had enough of old Spidey by this time and it REALLY bored me to tears. I think I actually nodded off during it’s run-time (something I hardly ever do!!). I LOVE the main theme, a truly catchy ear-worm that works a treat. But the score overall bores me too.

    THOR: RAGNAROK (2017). Enjoyable and stupid, but more a comedy/parody than anything else. Maybe THIS style is what Lord & Miller were going for on HAN SOLO before they were turfed off it. It’s safer to p!ss about after 16 successful films over 3, so Corp Disney maybe being more conservative? Don’t remember much about the score, despite reading lots of raves about it.

    BLACK PANTHER (2018). A nice change to see some new black faces on the screen, after years of the same old tired white faces! That’s obviously what the world thinks too, if the B.O is to be believed! Overlong and a bit too po-faced at times, but slick and entertaining with a pumping and sometimes modern classical score that’s a lot of fun, but ridiculously overlong on digital and crying out for a quality edited 60 minute highlights CD.

    WOW! Did I just write ALL THAT!! wink

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 5:59 AM   
     By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

    Awesome.
    I agree about 85%.
    Civil War and Spider-Man Homecoming I can't enough of.
    Giacchino's opening title rendition of the 60's Spidey Theme gives me chills every time. Second best Spidey on screen ever after Spidey 2 I say.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 6:39 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    A Haters Review:

    IRON MAN (2008). Awful! The score almost ruined the film for me.

    THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008). No great shakes but I kinda like this score.

    IRON MAN 2 (2010). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    THOR (2011). One of my favorite MCU scores though still pretty average in parts.

    CAPTAIN AMERICA: FIRST AVENGER (2011). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    AVENGERS: ASSEMBLE (2012). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    IRON MAN 3 (2013). Never heard the score.

    THOR: DARK WORLD (2014). The action music is generic. The rest is quite nice.

    CAPT AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER (2014). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (2014). Awful. Score and songs.

    AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON (2015). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    ANT-MAN (2015). It’s got a repetitious motif that I found annoying. Didn't go anywhere musically.

    CAPT AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (2016). Generic, don’t recall it at all.

    DR STRANGE (2016). I really like this score! If only the composer can transform motifs into fleshed out themes. A step up in the right direction though.

    GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL 2 (2017). Never heard it.

    SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING (2017). Fun whimsical score. I really enjoy this one a great deal!

    THOR: RAGNAROK (2017). Awful!

    BLACK PANTHER (2018). Haven’t heard it yet.

     
     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 6:43 AM   
     By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

    Haha. It looks my Marvel memory has been failing me.
    The city raising scene I rolled my eyes at above is actually the end of AGE OF ULTRON, a film I remember quite liking.
    I'd forgotten the WWF style free for all, at the airport, was the end of CIVIL WAR, which I enjoyed too.
    I've just been re-educated by the Marvel nerd who sits near by me in work.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 6:47 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)

    Haha. It looks my Marvel memory has been failing me.
    The city raising scene I rolled my eyes at above is actually the end of AGE OF ULTRON, a film I remember quite liking.
    I'd forgotten the WWF style free for all, at the airport, was the end of CIVIL WAR, which I enjoyed too.
    I've just been re-educated by the Marvel nerd who sits near by me in work.


    That's because it's all one big blur. Most of the films are interchangeable set ups for the next film in the series.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 6:53 AM   
     By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

    I can't get enough of Black Panther's score. It genuinely made me emotional watching the film both times I saw it. My spouse detests super hero films but she wanted to see this one, TWICE. I'm all for it.

    The score uses traditional African drumming, and instrumentation very well. The orchestra pieces feature some awesome brass work, and the vocals are stunning. Some have a Lion King feel to them, others which feature vocal chanting of the hero's name "T'Challa" are a throw back for me anyways to Steven James Taylor's score in the Motion Comic BET mini-series, which I'm still hoping gets released some day.

    I am really excited to hear about Silvestri scores one of my favorite villains, THANOS, in infinity war. Apparently it's more his movie, than a heroes movie akin to the Joker in the Dark Knight - I hope the music reflects that too.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 6:59 AM   
     By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


    That's because it's all one big blur. Most of the films are interchangeable set ups for the next film in the series.


    Only people who haven't paid attention or watched the films say stuff like that.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 7:01 AM   
     By:   solium   (Member)


    That's because it's all one big blur. Most of the films are interchangeable set ups for the next film in the series.


    Only people who haven't paid attention or watched the films say stuff like that.


    Only films that are interesting hold my attention.

    Edit: Expanding on your cheap shot. As huge as the MCU is, asked the average movie goer what these films are about and they're gonna say, "Super Heroes and Aliens fight for supreme control over some magical shiny power source thingy." And it all comes to a conclusion with Infinity War. Sure there are subplots in various films, but they're rather thin on real substance, cover hot topics like the Patriot Act, registration of a class of people (already done much better in X-Men), etc. For the most part the villains in this series are cardboard cut outs and dull. And now even Spider-Man is just a tool of Stark Industries and has little personal identity anymore.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 7:03 AM   
     By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

    Haha. It looks my Marvel memory has been failing me.
    The city raising scene I rolled my eyes at above is actually the end of AGE OF ULTRON, a film I remember quite liking.
    I'd forgotten the WWF style free for all, at the airport, was the end of CIVIL WAR, which I enjoyed too.
    I've just been re-educated by the Marvel nerd who sits near by me in work.


    Ok so here's why I love Civil War:
    The airport fight at the end of Act II (with about 50 minutes left in the film) is a ruse. The Big Battle that everyone thinks is The Main Event really isn't.
    Sam (Falcon) even says it on screen - "This isn't the real fight Steve..."
    The true conflict in Civil War is within Steve himself. Peter says it during the airport fight - "Mr. Stark says you're wrong but you think you're right and that makes you dangerous."
    The events in Ultron lead Zemo to take revenge on the Team, but Zemo isn't the bad guy. He ultimately breaks the Avengers apart by revealing the truth that STEVE kept hidden from Tony. As perfect and self righteous as Steve is, he screwed up by withholding the truth about Bucky and Tony parents.
    I see Civil War as a serious comment on modern society disguised as a super hero action movie. I think the movie's much smarter than everyone gives credit.

     
     Posted:   Mar 9, 2018 - 7:22 AM   
     By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)



    Ok so here's why I love Civil War:
    The airport fight at the end of Act II (with about 50 minutes left in the film) is a ruse. The Big Battle that everyone thinks is The Main Event really isn't.
    Sam (Falcon) even says it on screen - "This isn't the real fight Steve..."
    The true conflict in Civil War is within Steve himself. Peter says it during the airport fight - "Mr. Stark says you're wrong but you think you're right and that makes you dangerous."
    The events in Ultron lead Zemo to take revenge on the Team, but Zemo isn't the bad guy. He ultimately breaks the Avengers apart by revealing the truth that STEVE kept hidden from Tony. As perfect and self righteous as Steve is, he screwed up by withholding the truth about Bucky and Tony parents.
    I see Civil War as a serious comment on modern society disguised as a super hero action movie. I think the movie's much smarter than everyone gives credit.


    CW certainly had depth to it. Most people seem to think that thinking during a superhero movie is unnecessary/ultimately unrewarding. To them I say: watch Man of Steel (though the allegory can get a little clunky and needlessly narrow im, Dark Knight, Civil War, Iron man.


    That's because it's all one big blur. Most of the films are interchangeable set ups for the next film in the series.


    Only people who haven't paid attention or watched the films say stuff like that.


    Mostly, sure. But I think it goes back to what I said above, about people not feeling that thinking during superhero movies can yield rewards.

    All respect to everyone's views here, I think all of these points have some validity to them.

     
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