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 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

James never had plans to re-record Legend, so how could he drop them? He's always said he considers the Silva expansion (which he helped produce) to be sufficient and hasn't shown any interest in the other missing cues. I doubt he's going to go for a Kickstarter on this...even Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive has a better chance. smile

That said, if anyone ever does produce a new complete recording of Legend (especially if they find acoustic solutions for some of the more unpleasant synths) I will definitely buy it. Same goes for Under Fire.

Yavar


Sorry I meant Lionheart. According to a poster here James did have plans to rerecord it. However it is all academic now, as James has pointed out that Goldsmith does not sell that well.


I never had any plans to do a new recording of LIONHEART. But if someone wants to give me $80,000 I will !


LIONHEART was years ago suggested by Leigh Phillips. But finally he decide for THRILLER.

In my personal opinion, the most important score which should be newly recorded is Elmer Bernstein

"THE TEN COMMANDMENTS".

But thats only my thoughts.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Since Goldsmith sells and sells well and Kickstarter campaign was a success, will you reconsider your decision James to drop your plans to re-record Legend?

James never had plans to re-record Legend, so how could he drop them? He's always said he considers the Silva expansion (which he helped produce) to be sufficient and hasn't shown any interest in the other missing cues. I doubt he's going to go for a Kickstarter on this...even Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive has a better chance. smile

That said, if anyone ever does produce a new complete recording of Legend (especially if they find acoustic solutions for some of the more unpleasant synths) I will definitely buy it. Same goes for Under Fire.

Yavar


Sorry I meant Lionheart. According to a poster here James did have plans to rerecord it. However it is all academic now, as James has pointed out that Goldsmith does not sell that well.


I never had any plans to do a new recording of LIONHEART. But if someone wants to give me $80,000 I will !


LIONHEART was years ago suggested by Leigh Phillips. But finally he decide for THRILLER.

In my personal opinion, the most important score which should be newly recorded is Elmer Bernstein

"THE TEN COMMANDMENTS".

But thats only my thoughts.


As I've had several times there should be a poll organised here for the next score to be recorded by Tadlow. James could then launch a Kickstarter campaign for 100% of the funding needed to rerecord the chosen score. Perhaps it could be launched after James finishes recording King of Kings?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Perhaps we could get back to talking about Volume 2 of THRILLER, which hasn't even been released yet, but definitely will be!

So, in my quest to watch all of the episodes which will be represented on the second volume (coming to a virtual warehouse far from your house, in April or May), it was time to watch the penultimate on the list - although I don't know if they'll be in that order on the disc. Doesn't matter. It was "Masquerade". It was a dark, stormy night. The "Psycho" house looms out of the sheets of rain. Oh there's John Carradine! This should be quite spooky! Oh, there's Elizabeth Montgomery on her honeymoon with hubby... Tom Poston? Anyway, this actually turned out to be a surprise for me, because it was a comedic episode in the line of "The Addams Family". I'm not overly familiar with the show, but I didn't think they had done a comedy. Still, I suppose it stands to reason given the amount of episodes made. It's not really very funny or very good in any way, although it's watchable enough.

Watchable enough indeed. Oh my golly gosh, wasn't Elizabeth Montgomery absolutely gorgeous? I love her. I love that combination of strong-jawed defiance and wide-eyed innocence, although I think I actually preferred her just a wee bit more in The Twilight Zone's "Two", that post-apocalyptic episode co-starring Charles Bronson. In that one she got to show her really tough side, but of course with that vulnerability under the surface, and she was wearing military gear throughout, with a short skirt. There was something Jane Fonda-ish about her back then. The wide-eyed innocence. The strong-jawed look of defiance. Just to show you that I'm telling the truth, I never met Jane Fonda in real life, but Elizabeth Montgomery was my first girlfriend. It was 1945 and we were both twelve years old, attending the same school somewhere in the United States, I think. I kept taking her to see SPELLBOUND, and telling her to pay attention to Miklós Rózsa's music. I even recall singing to her, as we embraced, "You're holding me spellbound"! It got to the point where she said, "Look, it's either this Rosa gal or me. So choose, schmuck". And I chose Miklós. And the rest is history.

But enough of me. Jerry Goldsmith's score for "Masquerade" held Surprise Number 2. If you recall, I said half an hour ago that it surprised me that there was a semi-comedic effort in THRILLER. That was Surprise Number 1. Surprise Number 2 was that the score here is actually largely the same thematic material as in "Well of Doom" (represented on Volume One), the lumbering Herrmannesque "Gort"-type music for the lumbering Richard Kiel creature. I don't know without checking which episode came first, so I can't say if "Masquerade" is a reworking of "Well of Doom" or vice-versa. Whatever, here it's given a naturally much lighter treatment as befits the episode. It's not all that same theme of course. Overall, there's a kind of quirkiness to it - not burlesque as in "Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper" (probably my least favourite from Volume One, even if JamesF does say that it was the most fun to record). Yes, a sort of wry quirkiness is what seems most to the fore here. It's far from my favourite episode, and far from my favourite score, but again it'll demonstrate the breadth of material which we will be treated to soon, much more varied than Volume 1 (which was/is still great).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Just listening to final edits/master of THRILLER 2. I must say I am rather impressed by it ... especially as it should be used as a prime example to aspiring composers of how to compose and orchestrate for limited resources but get maximum effect from them so much so that you do not notice how small a chamber ensemble is used!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Just listening to final edits/master of THRILLER 2. I must say I am rather impressed by it ... especially as it should be used as a prime example to aspiring composers of how to compose and orchestrate for limited resources but get maximum effect from them so much so that you do not notice how small a chamber ensemble is used!

Yes, one of the adavantages of having little in the way of real resources, but bags of talent and imagination. Really looking forward to Vol 2. Curiously, I was just searching for this thread to remind me of the name of the one episode (of those represented on the upcoming CD) which I have still to watch... It's "Terror In Teakwood".

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Just listening to final edits/master of THRILLER 2. I must say I am rather impressed by it ... especially as it should be used as a prime example to aspiring composers of how to compose and orchestrate for limited resources but get maximum effect from them so much so that you do not notice how small a chamber ensemble is used!

Yes, one of the adavantages of having little in the way of real resources, but bags of talent and imagination. Really looking forward to Vol 2. Curiously, I was just searching for this thread to remind me of the name of the one episode (of those represented on the upcoming CD) which I have still to watch... It's "Terror In Teakwood".


Featuring the Teakwood Nocturne by Caesar Giovannini ......

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....


Captain From Castille...WOW! That is a REALLY good choice.

Hmm...well, people came through for KoKs, hard to believe they wouldn't for Newman. But I do keep hearing how Alfred doesn't sell as much as Rozsa, Goldsmith.

Nahh, we'd all rally. I'm confident in FSM especially. It would be sensational. There's also David and Bathsheba...

aw heck, I could go on for days about Alfred. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

That's why Michael Abels should have gotten a best score Oscar nomination for GET OUT, as his score sounds like things
Goldsmith and Co were doing in the 50's and 60's. Proper inventive stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I must say I am rather impressed by it ... especially as it should be used as a prime example to aspiring composers of how to compose and orchestrate for limited resources but get maximum effect from them so much so that you do not notice how small a chamber ensemble is used!

... and not only to aspiring composers, either.

Producers, executive producers, film editors, music editors, etc. ... plus those focus groups which studios/production companies rely upon so much. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Leigh Phillips:
Most Valuable Player
two years in a row!!!!!
Brmo

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2018 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That's why Michael Abels should have gotten a best score Oscar nomination for GET OUT, as his score sounds like things
Goldsmith and Co were doing in the 50's and 60's. Proper inventive stuff.


Exactly. And in a pretty weak field, maybe even deserved a win. Get Out got multiple other nominations so really a shame that this great debut score was overlooked.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....



Im hope for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS somewhere in future... smile Cult classic movie (especially in USA...), classic wodnerful music... for me it Bernstein music is like Old Testament SYMPHONY! smile Onle new complete performance and recording will reveal true beauty of this music...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)



Im hope for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS somewhere in future... smile


Well heck that would probably sell really well. But Alfred ALFRED, please! smile smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....



Im hope for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS somewhere in future... smile Cult classic movie (especially in USA...), classic wodnerful music... for me it Bernstein music is like Old Testament SYMPHONY! smile Onle new complete performance and recording will reveal true beauty of this music...


Would love to do TEN COMMANDMENTS but Paramount Pictures apparently will not let anyone have access to the original music until 5 years after the Intrada Release ...or so I was told. So no chance for a while yet .....

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....



Im hope for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS somewhere in future... smile Cult classic movie (especially in USA...), classic wodnerful music... for me it Bernstein music is like Old Testament SYMPHONY! smile Onle new complete performance and recording will reveal true beauty of this music...


Would love to do TEN COMMANDMENTS but Paramount Pictures apparently will not let anyone have access to the original music until 5 years after the Intrada Release ...or so I was told. So no chance for a while yet .....


Im so sad about this... frown

But im still live in hope that new recording will happen...
at some time...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Congratulations! A no-brainer purchase for me.

Sooo...maybe some Alfred Newman next for Tadlow? smile


Would love to do some ALFRED NEWMAN .... especially CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE .... but that would need rather a lot of dosh!...to say the least!!! And I just do not think there are enough Alfred Newman fans out there willing to contribute large amounts? (or am I wrong?)

So for now, this year THRILLER 2, THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN/THE HORROR OF DRACULA. KING OF KINGS ...I would say that was enough. But bare in mind both THE DRACULA and KING OF KINGS CDs are part funded by either individuals or kickstarter ....



Im hope for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS somewhere in future... smile Cult classic movie (especially in USA...), classic wodnerful music... for me it Bernstein music is like Old Testament SYMPHONY! smile Onle new complete performance and recording will reveal true beauty of this music...



Would love to do TEN COMMANDMENTS but Paramount Pictures apparently will not let anyone have access to the original music until 5 years after the Intrada Release ...or so I was told. So no chance for a while yet .....



Thank the heavens!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

And so it came to pass that I got around to watching the last episode featured on the Volume 2 list - "The Terror in Teakwood". It's really quite splendid stuff, with a great cast. I always found Guy Rolfe scary, ever since I saw (MR) SARDONICUS at the age of ten, and here he's quite wonderful as the demented musician. His physical presence is just right, aloof, gaunt, tall, arrogant and concert-pianisty with his hair all scraped back. Hazel Court was always a busty horror-freak's delight, Reggie Nalder gets to look sinister again (he could hardly avoid it), and Charles Aidman is there too to add a bit of well-done bland normality.

There are hints of THE HANDS OF ORLAC and THE BEAST WITH FIVE FINGERS, but this episode is a bit more perverse even, with Rolfe as the pianist with the Salieri complex who desecrates the tomb of Liszt-handed genius "Carnowitz" (sp?) and, and... no, it's really too awful.

The Goldsmith score here acts in a kind of "supporting role" to Caesar Giovannini's piano music. While greatly effective, it didn't strike me as being much different from what has been represented on Volume 1 - mostly low bassoons and Herrrmannesque devices for the suspense. I may of course change my mind when I hear it in its full glory on disc. Not really being a "collector" (or at least not a nutty one, says I), I don't have the DVDs of "Thriller", and am therefore watching them on acceptable-quality YouTube uploads. So I actually watched "The Terror in Teakwood" twice - first just watching it normally with a bottle of fine wine by my side, and the second time after I happened upon, by sheer good luck, the same episode but featuring the audio commentary, which in this case was a very good interview with Jon Burlingame, who spoke about "Thriller" in general (and Pete Rugolo, and Morton Stevens), but with much of the focus on "The Terror in Teakwood", logically.

A question for Mr Fitz - Giovannini wrote two piano pieces for this, right? The Nocturne and the Sonata (I think). I saw a few weeks ago on Facebook that the Nocturne had been adapted to accommodate the lovely Lucie and the violin. Will we be getting a piano-only version of the Sonata, or couldn't you find a pianist capable enough to play Carnowitz's "impossible" 7th?

Anyway, that's me watched all the episodes in anticipation. What a great series! Of the scores which will appear on Vol 2, my initial reaction is that I absolutely loved the ones for the first four on the list, and was slightly less impressed by the last two ("Masquerade" and "Teakwood"). My enthusiasm has been sufficiently sparked however to not only look forward immensely to the release, but also to revisit Volume 1, which was mighty fine.

I'm going to listen to Volume 1 again now, loud through the headphones. Do other people here do that? I mean, listen more than once to things they bought months, years or decades ago, or is it all about "Why don't you tackle my holy grail SANTO VERSUS THE AZTEC MUMMY"?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

And so it came to pass that I got around to watching the last episode featured on the Volume 2 list - "The Terror in Teakwood". It's really quite splendid stuff, with a great cast. I always found Guy Rolfe scary, ever since I saw (MR) SARDONICUS at the age of ten, and here he's quite wonderful as the demented musician. His physical presence is just right, aloof, gaunt, tall, arrogant and concert-pianisty with his hair all scraped back. Hazel Court was always a busty horror-freak's delight, Reggie Nalder gets to look sinister again (he could hardly avoid it), and Charles Aidman is there too to add a bit of well-done bland normality.

There are hints of THE HANDS OF ORLAC and THE BEAST WITH FIVE FINGERS, but this episode is a bit more perverse even, with Rolfe as the pianist with the Salieri complex who desecrates the tomb of Liszt-handed genius "Carnowitz" (sp?) and, and... no, it's really too awful.

The Goldsmith score here acts in a kind of "supporting role" to Caesar Giovannini's piano music. While greatly effective, it didn't strike me as being much different from what has been represented on Volume 1 - mostly low bassoons and Herrrmannesque devices for the suspense. I may of course change my mind when I hear it in its full glory on disc. Not really being a "collector" (or at least not a nutty one, says I), I don't have the DVDs of "Thriller", and am therefore watching them on acceptable-quality YouTube uploads. So I actually watched "The Terror in Teakwood" twice - first just watching it normally with a bottle of fine wine by my side, and the second time after I happened upon, by sheer good luck, the same episode but featuring the audio commentary, which in this case was a very good interview with Jon Burlingame, who spoke about "Thriller" in general (and Pete Rugolo, and Morton Stevens), but with much of the focus on "The Terror in Teakwood", logically.

A question for Mr Fitz - Giovannini wrote two piano pieces for this, right? The Nocturne and the Sonata (I think). I saw a few weeks ago on Facebook that the Nocturne had been adapted to accommodate the lovely Lucie and the violin. Will we be getting a piano-only version of the Sonata, or couldn't you find a pianist capable enough to play Carnowitz's "impossible" 7th?

Anyway, that's me watched all the episodes in anticipation. What a great series! Of the scores which will appear on Vol 2, my initial reaction is that I absolutely loved the ones for the first four on the list, and was slightly less impressed by the last two ("Masquerade" and "Teakwood"). My enthusiasm has been sufficiently sparked however to not only look forward immensely to the release, but also to revisit Volume 1, which was mighty fine.

I'm going to listen to Volume 1 again now, loud through the headphones. Do other people here do that? I mean, listen more than once to things they bought months, years or decades ago, or is it all about "Why don't you tackle my holy grail SANTO VERSUS THE AZTEC MUMMY"?


Our Chopin prize winning pianist Jaromir Klepac could have played the sonata ....but I decided on a different approach by doing the Nocturne arranged for Solo Violin and piano ...as it works rather well I feel ....

 
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