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 Posted:   Feb 22, 2016 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Any news on the CD pre-order?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Havent thought about this score in years but now I'm excited. Wish this were T2 instead though!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2016 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

I'd buy both.

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2016 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Any news on the CD pre-order?

Let's hope a CD is announced. I've been wanting this on CD for decades now, ever since the death of vinyl and then missing the CD before it went out of print. How ironic. razz

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2016 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Any news on the CD pre-order?

Let's hope a CD is announced. I've been wanting this on CD for decades now, ever since the death of vinyl and then missing the CD before it went out of print. How ironic. razz


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Dear all,

Yes The Terminator reissue will come out on CD and digital on the same day.
CD will have a similar presentation to Robocop with a simple digipack.

But the musical content will be the same as the vinyl. Brad Fiedel spent a lot of time working on this presentation. He went back to the original material to rebuild an album he feels would be a strong listening experience.

I hope you will enjoy it

best

JC

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   BlindDoc   (Member)

So, after the first listen...

I own both the 1984 soundtrack album (on vinyl and CD) and the "Definite Edition". Both have their merits ("Future Remembered" from the soundtrack album still is by far the best version for me, period).

This new presentation however is really brilliant and a *vast* improvement over the "definite edition". However purists take note: Brad took a few (but really only a few) liberties with the material as opposed to the score as in film. Basically he just added a few bars of additional material towards the end of two or three cues. But even though i have only listened to the mp3 download yet, the fidelity and mastering of the material is brilliant!

For me one of the most important factors is that Brad corrected the synchronisation between the various drum machines and the synths. While understandable under technical considerations, this is what made the "definite edition" virtually unlistenable for me. The score was recorded in '84 with pre-midi instrumentation. And i do know how hard it is to clock/synchronise old synths of various makes and models. Brad explained in a documentary i've seen (probably on a T1 DVD somewhere) how he "hand-synchronised" the synths at the time. While it works in the movie (lots of sound fx mask the shortcomings), it was painfully obvious on the CD.

But Brad Fiedel obviously painstakinkly rearranged all of the source material in a way that it all sounds perfectly synchronised (with a few very minor exceptions). This must have been *extremely* heavy work - huge congratulations!!!

I am very glad this was done as i can now finally enjoy the score as it was meant to sound after all these years. I can't wait for the vinyl and CD to arrive!

Many thanks, Brad Fiedel and Milan!!!

Best,
Burnie

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Blind how were you able to download it already? Just curious... dont see it on itunes...

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)

Sounds like the score got a little 'George Lucased'. I hope the Police Station escape theme is the original film version. Personally, I do not like rearranged/remixed soundtracks, nor do I care about the 'composer's original vision'. I like the fact that Brad's sequences were clunky, human. If that's what was in the film, that's what should be released. Pointless noodling over the original arrangement may be a neat supplement (such as what Howarth did on the re-released of Escape From NY) but it can ruin the listening experience for a lot of OST fans that know the film and it's score so well.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Blind how were you able to download it already? Just curious... dont see it on itunes...

If you pre order the LP you get a download right away.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

OH YES!!!!
Excited for this, though I wish the CD was being released in a standard jewel case instead.
I still have the Enigma CD with the Tech Noir songs. Even though I can't twofer them into a single case, this is great news.
April 8... Plenty time to get ready for instant purchase!

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Sounds like the score got a little 'George Lucased'. I hope the Police Station escape theme is the original film version. Personally, I do not like rearranged/remixed soundtracks, nor do I care about the 'composer's original vision'. I like the fact that Brad's sequences were clunky, human. If that's what was in the film, that's what should be released. Pointless noodling over the original arrangement may be a neat supplement (such as what Howarth did on the re-released of Escape From NY) but it can ruin the listening experience for a lot of OST fans that know the film and it's score so well.

Amen to that. Hopefully this isn't too tinkered. Still feeling the burn from those Howarth "re-imaginings"

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Excited for this, though I wish the CD was being released in a standard jewel case instead.


The European version of ROBOCOP was.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   observant observer   (Member)

However purists take note: Brad took a few (but really only a few) liberties with the material as opposed to the score as in film. Basically he just added a few bars of additional material towards the end of two or three cues.

Do we actually know if Brad has added this material and not that they were edited out off the final film print? Glad to hear the audio is improved.

Very tempted to take a run at the Vinyl copy as well to see if this new 'resurgence' is merely nostalgia or if mastering differences are noticeable to current CD releases...

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   DJS   (Member)



Amen to that. Hopefully this isn't too tinkered. Still feeling the burn from those Howarth "re-imaginings"


Yeah, those were pretty brutal. I had to go back to the original Varese EFNY release for some of the tracks because I wanted the [actual] film music experience. He needs to stop with the improv over old recordings (like when he plays live). It's just, er, not good. I do applaud his THE THING synth pad re-recordings/remixes though. I sandwiched them neatly inbetween my Morricone tracks.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   BlindDoc   (Member)



Amen to that. Hopefully this isn't too tinkered. Still feeling the burn from those Howarth "re-imaginings"


Yeah, those were pretty brutal. I had to go back to the original Varese EFNY release for some of the tracks because I wanted the [actual] film music experience. He needs to stop with the improv over old recordings (like when he plays live). It's just, er, not good. I do applaud his THE THING synth pad re-recordings/remixes though. I sandwiched them neatly inbetween my Morricone tracks.


I'm absolutely in your camp usually, Dan and Mutant. Howarth's tinkering (remember the H2 suites???) are mostly bizzare. EFNY's expanded version was good for the extra tracks - however i always listen to the VS version with the new tracks added as bonus.

However The Terminator is nowhere near this amount of lucas-ing at all! So far i've only listened to it once on my fiio player (i'd rather wait for the CD & vinyl than to play the mp3s on my stereo), so i can't make a good a-b comparison at the moment. Also, i don't know the score *that* well to tell you if "escape from police station" is the film mix (what was wrong with it on the "definite edition" again? something about the drum patterns being too loudly mixed?).

I also always prefer the score-as-in-film-proper over everything else. But in this case i thought that the "definite edition" was exactly that (even though i've read that certain instruments were mixed wrong - but i've never made an a-b with the movie) and the - while understandable - rhythmically inaccurate synchronisation shortcomings really put me off. This release is, for me personally, the first time i actually prefer a slighty face-lifted reissue to the score proper. And i'm actually quite confident that if the "definite edition" would have never been released, nobody would notice Brad's synchonising improvements on this!

Fortunately, there were never any synchronisation issues with the old Carpenter/Howarth recordings!!!

Best,
Burnie

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

It appears that Police Station is the same ending as the previous release. That being said, the new mix sounds incredible.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   BlindDoc   (Member)

It appears that Police Station is the same ending as the previous release. That being said, the new mix sounds incredible.

What exactly is the difference between the film version and the cd version? Last time i watched the movie i didn't notice anything - is it the balance between the rhythm and the melodic line that is off?

Best,
Burnie

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

I have listened to the digital download now and as far as I can tell the music & mix are identical to what's heard in the film (I made a careful comparison), with one exception (sorry guys!); the final part of "Police station/Escape" is still the old one as found on the 'definitive' version (fortunately, the first part is the film mix). I have no idea why Brad chose that version since the remaining music sounds like in the film, but I suspect it's his original mix after all and that he didn't like how it was (re-)mixed in the film.

As for additional material, I don't think there's much except for a piece of atmospheric music with choir that has been added to the track called "End credits -final suite". However I do believe this segment was edited out off the final film print.

The sound is improved and now presented in stereo.

All in all I'm very happy with this release and I think Brad has done a great job. The music as a whole sounds so much better now as it's properly mixed and remastered, wayyyy better than the poorly mixed 'definitive' edition. In other words, this release is a must have.

Can't wait to get my hands on the CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Awesome reports. Reeeeeeeeeally looking forward to this!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2016 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

It appears that Police Station is the same ending as the previous release. That being said, the new mix sounds incredible.

What exactly is the difference between the film version and the cd version? Last time i watched the movie i didn't notice anything - is it the balance between the rhythm and the melodic line that is off?

Best,
Burnie


The main differences are...
The drum machine pattern is mixed much louder on the CD (while in the film it's hardly audible)
The film mix is missing the main theme melody.
This makes the arpeggiated synth part stand out in the film mix.

Also, the ending of the film mix is slightly different.

 
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