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 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

What is a "cd-i"

wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Seriously, the other post said he used an electric harp not guitar.
Is an 'electric' harp a solid body instrument like an e. guitar or a regular concert harp with an amplifier pickup?
brm

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

At least he labeled it "Music written for the film" and not "Original motion picture score".

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Seriously, the other post said he used an electric harp not guitar.
Is an 'electric' harp a solid body instrument like an e. guitar or a regular concert harp with an amplifier pickup?
brm



According to Wikipedia:

"Like electric guitars, electric harps are based on their acoustic originals. There are both solid-body and hollow body electro-acoustic models available. True electric harps have a solid body versus a hollow body electro-acoustic harp, which can be played either acoustically or electronically. A true electric solid-body harp cannot be played acoustically since it has no hollow soundbox, and must be amplified when played."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_harp

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Well, while I salute this labor of love, after hearing the samples I'm sorry to say they sound awful. Reminds me of other synth-only "recreations" available on some doubtful import CDs (Lord of the Rings, Star Wars).

From all the Goldsmith scores Planet of the Apes is The Milestone. Trying to do it with the lack of a real orchestra (especially when the original recording is available) looks/sounds as a wrong shot, almost like a violation.

Jerry must be turning in his grave...

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

These shipping fees are a big obstacle for us in Old Europe, but who cares!
I love Goldsmith so much I am buying this no matter what.
Down with purists!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

Rory, thanks for those quotes from the book about the relative sound quality of the Intrada, Project 3 and Varese releases.

Here's something curious: I have the Varese and the Masters Film Music versions. I thought Masters Film Music (released a few years after the Varese, 35 minutes of music) would be the exact same mastering as the Varese, only presented in a shorter, LP-esque track selection. But I am comparing them right now on headphones and the MFM version actually sounds different from the Varese. It has more of the high frequency information which sounds suppressed to me on the Varese.

The tracks on the MFM are the longer versions as on the Varese. Maybe they remixed it slightly for the MSM CD?

I never compared them before but I think the MFM is preferable for the better color that's audible in the percussion.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

It is, no question, a fantastic effort, and some of those samples are impressive.

I applaud this.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

It is, no question, a fantastic effort, and some of those samples are impressive.

I applaud this.


The applause is merited. And I'm registering approval with my open wallet, as well!.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

From all the Goldsmith scores Planet of the Apes is The Milestone. Trying to do it with the lack of a real orchestra (especially when the original recording is available) looks/sounds as a wrong shot, almost like a violation.

Jerry must be turning in his grave...


What a ridiculous piece of hyperbole. Is this what you think of the memory of Jerry Goldsmith, that he would be so offended by someone interpreting his work in some way other than using an orchestra that he would spin in his grave? You obviously don't know much about Goldsmith. He was better than that, and more to the point, he was enthusiastic about all forms of music and the various ways they can be delivered. I think if he could see what one person has been able to do, after so carefully studying his composition -- and has performed it by himself -- he'd be amazed and highly complimented. I think more than that, he'd be the biggest fan of it.

You know, it's one thing to be a fan, quite something else to be a fanatic. Don't be a Goldsmith fanatic. Even Goldsmith wasn't a Goldsmith fanatic.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

From all the Goldsmith scores Planet of the Apes is The Milestone. Trying to do it with the lack of a real orchestra (especially when the original recording is available) looks/sounds as a wrong shot, almost like a violation.

Jerry must be turning in his grave...


What a ridiculous piece of hyperbole. Is this what you think of the memory of Jerry Goldsmith, that he would be so offended by someone interpreting his work in some way other than using an orchestra that he would spin in his grave? You obviously don't know much about Goldsmith. He was better than that, and more to the point, he was enthusiastic about all forms of music and the various ways they can be delivered. I think if he could see what one person has been able to do, after so carefully studying his composition -- and has performed it by himself -- he'd be amazed and highly complimented. I think more than that, he'd be the biggest fan of it.

You know, it's one thing to be a fan, quite something else to be a fanatic. Don't be a Goldsmith fanatic. Even Goldsmith wasn't a Goldsmith fanatic.


BRAVO!!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   trstnvnk   (Member)

From all the Goldsmith scores Planet of the Apes is The Milestone. Trying to do it with the lack of a real orchestra (especially when the original recording is available) looks/sounds as a wrong shot, almost like a violation.

Jerry must be turning in his grave...


What a ridiculous piece of hyperbole. Is this what you think of the memory of Jerry Goldsmith, that he would be so offended by someone interpreting his work in some way other than using an orchestra that he would spin in his grave? You obviously don't know much about Goldsmith. He was better than that, and more to the point, he was enthusiastic about all forms of music and the various ways they can be delivered. I think if he could see what one person has been able to do, after so carefully studying his composition -- and has performed it by himself -- he'd be amazed and highly complimented. I think more than that, he'd be the biggest fan of it.


Talk about a ridiculous piece of hyperbole... Chances are he would consider this endeavour as just another bottle cap.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Down one!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Appears to be an extremely exciting recording of one of the greatest musical works of the 20th Century composed by Jerry Goldsmith.

If you're comparing it to all the other 20th century musical works by Jerry Goldsmith, I agree with you; otherwise, not so much smile. But a real slap on the back for Mr O'Callaghan, who's invested so much time and effort into this project as a labour of love. Nothing wrong with having a different take on it - although whoever suggested a piano/percussion reduction deserves a mention as well. That could really work.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Damn dirty double post

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

No orchestra? Who needs this?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I paid $20 for the new recording of Obsession, in part because I knew that they had to pay the orchestra and chorus.

I'm not convinced that a synth mock-up warrants the same price tag as an orchestral recording. YMMV.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I paid $20 for the new recording of Obsession, in part because I knew that they had to pay the orchestra and chorus.

I'm not convinced that a synth mock-up warrants the same price tag as an orchestral recording. YMMV.


Well, a price tag has more to do with what it costs to make a CD, print a booklet, and buy the cases to put them in.

Listen, if you don't like this because it hasn't been done with a real orchestra, fine, ignore it and proudly proclaim you wouldn't spend a dime on it. No one is out to change anyone's mind or personal taste. It might surprise you to know I'm not a big fan of Goldsmith's "synth" heavy scores. I don't own a CD of HOOSIERS and if I had been the producer of that movie, I'd have requested Goldsmith use entirely an orchestra. I'm not fan of "Switched-on" Goldsmith. When I listen to THE ILLUSTRATED MAN, LOGAN'S RUN, OUTLAND, I skip over the electronic stuff, and you'd have to pay me to listen to RUNAWAY. I own the expanded edition of RAMBO, but I can't say I'm warm to it because of the use of synths.

Would it be nice if this was an acoustic re-recording with a real orchestra? Perhaps (and this re-recording is not meant to offer an alternative to the film's actual score. It has nothing to do with movie, it's about the composition), but I wouldn't be interested in buying it if it wasn't done to be as accurate to the tempo, pitch and tone of the OST as humanly possible. With this score, try getting an orchestra of hired musicians, which is what O'Callaghan would have had to do -- and how much would that have cost? -- to reach that level of precision. Good luck with that! You'd have to conjure up the living ghost of Bernard Herrmann to yell at them.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

It demonstrates for the listener that Goldsmith's serial compositions are more than mere "movie music" and deserve a place among the defining works of twentieth century orchestral repertoire.


Hi, chromaparadise.

I agree with this statement.

But I also wish to ask if you will focus any future attention on composers other than Jerry Goldsmith?

Will you examine and write about Benjamin Frankel's serial score for The Curse of the Werewolf, for example?

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Oh, man! Just discovered this on You Tube. Next best thing to actually seeing Goldsmith do the APES score. Anyone ever post this before? Take a trip back in time and enjoy!

 
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