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 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Sean, I see we are twins when it comes to both loving The River cue as I posted just above your post. It is real music!!

Make that triplets. The River is one of my all time favorite cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Oh good, mgh. Now there are triplets here with posh and discerning musical tastes. Now we just have to infect a few others on the board with our perfect tastes in music.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Michael Condon   (Member)

I'm really looking forward to hearing this new mix. I notice the improved sound immediately when I listened this morning. A difference of night and day!

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Tony Franciosa's turn as a Mexican is over the top, but it works for me, he really goes for it, & I think he brings it off.

Is Vito Scotti the bandito with the mouthful of really bad teeth in that scene very much like the one in The Professionals 1966?


Yes he is. It's a great scene, starts almost comically and ends very rough. He and Richard Boone work wonderfully together.

And I love Franciosa too - it really is one of his best performances. Especially his sudden but inevitable betrayal.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Glad to hear this film is worth checking out. That will be next on my list wink
But is it available on DVD? I don't see it on Netflix to watch.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Oh good, mgh. Now there are triplets




From left to right : Mgh, Joan and Sean !

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I was in on this edition when I saw the news at seven this morning. Thank you, Bruce and Mike for going to the well once again on this one.

(Mr. Wrathbone, that is one impressive piece of software for dealing with flutter and wow--but for a retail price of $4,458.00 I should hope so.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

Presumably, the problematic stereo tapes were run through this application to remove the wow and flutter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqK6wgsh3QA

The demonstration is worth watching.


Thanks for the link!! This is really interesting stuff, that goes really deep....

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Glad to hear this film is worth checking out. That will be next on my list wink
But is it available on DVD? I don't see it on Netflix to watch.


Shout Factory released a blu-ray in 2013 with three other westerns.

http://www.amazon.com/Movies-You-Timeless-Westerns-Blu-ray/dp/B00C81AW8E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1412623707&sr=8-3&keywords=rio+conchos

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Glad to hear this film is worth checking out. That will be next on my list wink
But is it available on DVD? I don't see it on Netflix to watch.


Shout Factory released a blu-ray in 2013 with three other westerns.

http://www.amazon.com/Movies-You-Timeless-Westerns-Blu-ray/dp/B00C81AW8E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1412623707&sr=8-3&keywords=rio+conchos

Greg Espinoza


I have that, and happily RIO CONCHOS looks & sounds great - unhappily, Take A Hard Ride, while it looked just ok from what I recall, sounds TERRIBLE - the music tracks have a weird distortion that renders it totally unlistenable (while the dialogue & efx are fine) - which I suppose means the entire
sound mix is really unlistenable! And since most people hate the movie anyway, you COULD
just not watch or listen to Take A Hard Ride at all!!!!!

But I always got a kick out of it, and Goldsmith's music is amazing. Get the set for RIO CONCHOS
anywya....

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Oh good, mgh. Now there are triplets




From left to right : Mgh, Joan and Sean !


Yep, and that's me in a GOOD mood!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Can I ask a simple question? With what modern technology can someone produce a stereo restoration of a score recorded in mono? And if the recording was stereo in the first place, why did FSM release a mono version of a score recorded in stereo. Just asking before I buy my fourth release of that score.

Presumably because the mono tapes or tracks or whatever were in okay shape while the stereo were in poor shape, but now they've been able to go back to the original elements and remix the stereo presentation, is what it sounds like.


Correct. In 2000, the stereo tracks, save for what they included, were not salvageable - in 2014 they were. Just as two years ago there was no way to release A Place in the Sun or It's a Wonderful Life and today there was.



Is it possible to revisit The Rains of Ranchipur?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Is it possible to revisit The Rains of Ranchipur?.....


I believe that it WAS revisited for Kritzerland's release. Certainly the complete tracks from the RANCHIPUR score that I'd heard over the years had considerable wow and warpage. His new version was a revelation.

It's likely that most of the problems with the ORIGINAL stereo masters was, first and foremost, an issue of physical deterioration of the elements to a point where ANY kind of transfer was impossible, let alone corrections for secondary characteristics like wow and flutter.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Are you joking? The Rains of Ranchipur is possibly my favorite Friedhofer score and consequently one of my absolute favorite Kritzerland titles!

http://kritzerland.com/ranchipur.htm

And the price is a steal, complete and being combined with two other complete Friedhofer scores on two discs for only $19.95!!!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

well, i guess Riotengine will hafta put off buying BAT;TAS for now....
frown

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Those samples exhibit the almost unforgiveable nature of sounding like brand new! I'd like to have heard the originals. Years ago I commented about the wow and flutter exhibited by Morituri. It seems like the software has since come into being that can handle the worst case scenarios that can be thrown at them, with a small number being too steeply problematic to clear the hurdle. That's an impressive result to be sure.

I'm contemplating that Morituri has already run the gauntlet in an unoffical capacity because it serves as a good example for the classic test case to be solved. Morituri, however, is not as likely to be as popular a presentation as Rio Conchos . . .

That's another "rug pulling" award that goes to Kritzerland. It's a credit to the film score world that preservation is now the loftiest of goals within the realm of commercial pressures.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Are you joking? The Rains of Ranchipur is possibly my favorite Friedhofer score and consequently one of my absolute favorite Kritzerland titles!

http://kritzerland.com/ranchipur.htm

And the price is a steal, complete and being combined with two other complete Friedhofer scores on two discs for only $19.95!!!

Yavar


No I am not joking. And the question is a valid one. 'Rains' was in stereo. All of it. All that remains in stereo on the great Kritzerland release is a few stereo tracks. If Rio Conchos can be restored to almost all stereo as well as Demetrius&The Gladiators why can't 'Rains' which happens to be one of my favorite scores.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Okay fair enough, but I suspect that Ranchipur came out shortly after Bruce had been making use of this new technology. If I am mistaken about that then certainly I'd rebuy a stereo version. However, even if that were possible I think Bruce would be unlikely to do it until the existing album sells out. You might have better luck with Intrada, since with rare exception labels seem to prefer not to revisit titles they've done themselves (ie. why Bruce released the superior David and Bathsheba, not Intrada)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Okay fair enough, but I suspect that Ranchipur came out shortly after Bruce had been making use of this new technology. If I am mistaken about that then certainly I'd rebuy a stereo version. However, even if that were possible I think Bruce would be unlikely to do it until the existing album sells out. You might have better luck with Intrada, since with rare exception labels seem to prefer not to revisit titles they've done themselves (ie. why Bruce released the superior David and Bathsheba, not Intrada)

Yavar


Since we do not know the shape of the 'Rains' tracks nor the schedule of the great team that's restoring these FOX scores I take the approach that 'anything' is possible until we're told it isn't.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2014 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If "anything is possible" now I hope that includes Newman & Friedhofer's Mark of Zorro! smile

Yavar

 
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