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While I do sympathize with those fans who may have a hard time acquiring the SPACE set, I do have a few questions and observations:
- How can the set be more 'unaffordable' than say - The Ron Jones Box - TV Omnibus - The Star Trek Box - The David Raksin Box... Lethal Weapon... etc. ?
- Has anyone taken into account that the membership comes with a very high quality publication (not some fanboyzine mind you, but a very well written and researched publication)?
This may not seem important to some, but not all of us require merchandise stamped with the following prefixes: Star Trek (love it though I may), Marvel, DC Comics... etc. Fanderson probably has a smaller base than the superhero market, and thusly the unit price most likely reflects this.
- Who here knows - for a fact and not idle speculation - that another label could and would have done a better & cheaper job of releasing these great scores?
I understand that it may seem a tad expensive, but no one is forcing us to buy anything that I know of. I missed out on the 25th anniversary edition of Space 1999 fifteen years ago and no cataclysm resulted from that tragedy. Life is tough!
It's all about choices and priorities. I could have purchased all of the above sets, but I'd rather have a richer and more varied collection comprised of music from as varied genres and origins as possible. When something that is really worthwhile - to me mind you - comes along, well I am not as reluctant - and not as hard pressed - to pull the trigger if the price seems high. Choices.
Oh and here is an idea: Not buying every single last re-re-re-issue could perhaps free up some hard earned cash for other purchases. Just a thought.
P.S My second copy is already spoken for - a friend - but if Fanderson relaxes their policy at some point, I'll make it my duty to give one of you guys a hand. I have done so in the past and I shan't hesitate to do it again. Because, in the end, this strange activity of ours should be as much - if not more so - about sharing the music with others, than just the mere neurotic frenzy to acquire stuff. I've often found more satisfaction in helping a fellow film music fan get that long sought out disc, than getting it for myself.
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Still waiting for doppelgänger/journey to far side of sun.
This.
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- Who here knows - for a fact and not idle speculation - that another label could and would have done a better & cheaper job of releasing these great scores?
Ralph Titterton - who represents the Barry Gray estate and who has been involved with several Gray-related releases - has said that after Silva released Space:1999 Series 2 they advised him that they had no plans at that time for further Gerry Anderson releases. This was I think after speculation that Silva might do a release of UFO.
I do find it hard to believe that a US label would not have been interested.
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I do appreciate it's frustrating if you're not a Fanderson member and you want this set. There will only be 1,000 copies and if you're not a Fanderson member, you have to pay a year's membership plus the cost of the CD. That is an "ouch" for most.
What I will say in Fanderson's defence is that their license agreement with ITV does indeed limit them to 1,000 copies for members only. Their license agreement does not permit them to sell these CDs "openly".
Now perhaps if they were a bigger organization with more buying power and more capital behind them for advances, maybe they could have negotiated a better license agreement. Or maybe they didn't even try. I don't know.
Silva Screen did of course license Space:1999 but elected to release a single disc only.
I don't know what to say here. I'm grateful to Fanderson for finding a way to get this out. And I'm sorry for everyone who's going to miss out because of the double-whammy limitation.
As a member, I *can* order one more copy for somebody. But even members are only allowed to buy a maximum of two. I can and am prepared to help one person out and buy one for you off the back of my membership. But I can only help one.
Mail me if you want that to be you and please understand I can't help any more than one. You just need to cover the cost of the CD and postage.
EDIT: Please no more requests. I've done my one and only help.
Cheers
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Now perhaps if they were a bigger organization with more buying power and more capital behind them for advances, maybe they could have negotiated a better license agreement. Or maybe they didn't even try. I don't know.
Based on what I've picked up over the years...
I believe that they are granted a 'free' licence on condition that merchandise is limited in quantity and for sale to members only, and those are the conditions imposed not only by ITV but also their predecessors (eg ITC, Polygram and Carlton). My understanding was that it's not negotiable as such. I suppose if they had to pay for a licence their costs would be considerably greater?
Fanderson are set up to serve their members, and that's what they are doing. If their licensing deals are not interfering with commercial ventures (and that is apparently one reason ITV place limits on them) then perhaps it might be better to direct requests for these scores to the specialist labels?
I'd be interested to know how much it might cost the labels in licencing fees. Or maybe ITV aren't that easy to deal with? Who knows?
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¶ It sounds like a fine project and it "may" be the best vintage television music release of 2014.
I am eager to get my set and discovers the lengthy additional materials they have dug out.
¶ Don't worry, Fanderson doesn't care about a fistful of Film Score Monthly members.
Their economical target is well-focused. Thank you Fanderson.
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Sep 6, 2014 - 2:47 PM
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Heath
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I bought the original Space 1999 set 15 years ago or whenever. I'm pretty sure the price, including membership, was the same as today. That's quite impressive. It was a proverbial "no-brainer" for me then.
Look, at least with the membership you get a quarterly (I think it's quarterly) magazine that is, or was, glossy and extremely well produced, plus offers on other merchandise and events if you're interested.
I let my membership slide, but renewed for the UFO release. Same deal, then I let it slide again.  I guess, although I love and admire Gerry Anderson's work, I'm not the world's biggest fan. I was in it for Gray's music.
Having said that, I still think Space 1999 (forgive/forget Year 2  ) is a hugely underrated piece of British television, and that Anderson generally never quite got the recognition he deserved... richly deserved! He was the UKs Irwin Allen and Gene Roddenberry rolled into one, and the technical innovations in his shows influenced everything from 2001 A Space Odyssey to Star Wars and beyond. Considering his contribution to UK culture's international status, the many industry careers he effectively launched, to say nothing of the cash he generated for the treasury, it's depressing that he never got more than an MBE honour (and very late in the day) from his home country.
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Folks, I've been thinking about this and I think people are holding Fanderson accountable to something they've not set themselves up as.
They are not a CD label per se.
They are a fan club doing what it can for its members.
In this case, they've negotiated to be able to release previously unavailable music but to its members only and not to the general public.
Consider it a shame. Consider it a blatant disregard for non-members if you want to. But that's the context. And they don't owe it to anyone to be anything other than what they set themselves up to be.
That said, I stand by an earlier comment. I do feel sorry for people who are going to miss out because they're not members and they can't or don't want to pay the premium to get this. I've done my bit to help a non-member get access. I hope other members do the same.
Cheers
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And? What are you saying that negates the above poster? It's completely unaffordable. Silva didn't want to put this out? Or any other label? Really? I find that hard to believe.
@Accidental Genius mentioned that memberships have to be mailed in. I just wanted to point out that isn't the case now, as memberships and purchases are done online. I'm not defending them in any way, just pointing this out. As for the Space: 1999 CD, yes I'll be getting it, along with the Thunderbirds release. For me, it's something I think is worth purchasing.
No, what I meant/said was that in this day and age of online memberships I'd prefer they don't charge me shipping for a membership - like a non-swag membership. The cost of shipping the membership to Canada is the same cost as the membership itself.
If someone is cool with securing a copy for me please let me know here and I'll contact you offline. (I asked first, guys.  )
And don't get me wrong, Fanderson members. I understand why they sell these exclusively to their members; it just sucks this is the only way. But I do blame them for not allowing one shipping charge that accounts for both shipped membership AND CD set, not double when that isn't anywhere near the actual shipping cost. (Or an online membership where one can say "no thanks, don't need the exclusive swag gift for an extra $30 shipping to Canada.")
Again, no disrespect to Fanderson members.
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I like the Minbender joke, mate!
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