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 Posted:   Nov 10, 2014 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

Two scores OnyaBirri might like - and two of my personal favorite Williams scores, also - are "The Long Goodbye" (which is applied so brilliantly in the film, I think) and "Images," (which someone else mentioned above). The former is a really marvelous monothematic essay, and easily the most satirical thing Williams ever wrote; the latter has some tremendous string writing, and some great, memorable avant-garde effects (some purely of Williams's own design, and some done in collaboration with Stomu Yamashta) - it's simultaneously icy and emotive. Irwin Bazelon's marvelous book "Knowing the Score" spends quite a bit of time with "Images," (and includes some manuscript excerpts) and has an enlightening interview with Williams, too. I must also put in a vote for his "Violin Concerto," which has some great moments of strident and anguished beauty, and further demonstrates his versatile touch with the orchestra.

Of course, if you already have both of these, my apologies for dragging them up again, but I think they're well worth the listening.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2014 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Knowing a little bit about Onya's taste, I wouldn't recommend stuff like JANE EYRE, TINTIN, DRACULA or other things in a more classical style (great as I personally think they are). I stand by my recommendations earlier in the thread, which IMO are more suited to Onya's leanings.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Knowing a little bit about Onya's taste, I wouldn't recommend stuff like JANE EYRE, TINTIN, DRACULA or other things in a more classical style (great as I personally think they are). I stand by my recommendations earlier in the thread, which IMO are more suited to Onya's leanings.

Not sure what you mean by "classical" style. Are you speaking broadly about "serious" music? Or are you referencing the stylistic classical period? Because I have hundreds (thousands?) of "classical" albums, but my taste tends to lean toward baroque and earlier or Debussy/Ravel and later. I don't really go for the classical era. Romantic is hit or miss. (I love Chopin; he could have made big bucks scoring erotic films.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I think Thor is referring to late-1800s/early 1900s Romanticism, Onya.

You know - those dead German(ic) guys such as Richard Strauss, Bruckner, Mahler, etc. which dominate most people's conception of classical music (at least judging by radio station or concert programming smile )

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think Thor is referring to late-1800s/early 1900s Romanticism, Onya.

You know - those dead German(ic) guys such as Richard Strauss, Bruckner, Mahler, etc. which dominate most people's conception of classical music (at least judging by radio station or concert programming smile )


Indeed I was. This style is prevalent in several of the suggestions here, so it was just a 'warning' in case you went for those and discovered that they were -- indeed -- not to your liking, thus reinforcing your distaste of latter-day Williams.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Knowing a little bit about Onya's taste, I wouldn't recommend stuff like JANE EYRE, TINTIN, DRACULA or other things in a more classical style (great as I personally think they are). I stand by my recommendations earlier in the thread, which IMO are more suited to Onya's leanings.

Onus said he loves Daphis et Chloe (my favorite Ravel piece by far) and that plus liking Les Baxter (unless his superb horror scores like Usher are things of his Onya doesn't like) plus some other things I've seen him like has me positive that Dracula would be worth the $10 to him.

Jane Eyre I think is related to Dracula and no where near the 'classical era'...maybe a few Baroque touches which he likes (Family Plot is also fun with a delicious harpsichord element so I suspect he'd love that too).

As for TinTin, that would be more of a longshot, but it's my favorite recent Williams score and it is so free and joyous and fun, kinda like Catch Me If You Can, which Onya said he liked a lot. The main title in particular (film and score) are very much in the same vein. I don't know for 100% certain that Onya will like all of my recommendations but I *have* thought about them carefully Thor.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't really hear Ravel in DRACULA, to be honest. And if JANE EYRE is anything, it's pastoral English music in the style of Ralph Vaughan Williams' THOMAS TALLIS. Not sure if that's up Onya's alley (Onya's Alley! Now there's a title).

I agree that the main title of TINTIN has a sort-of CATCH ME IF YOU CAN swing to it, but the rest of the score is pretty straightforward romantic music with tons of mickey-mousing. Not sure that is up his alley either.

But hey -- we can discuss back and forth how well we know his taste and what he will enjoy or not enjoy. Ultimately, he'll have to find out for himself. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2014 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks all for the continued suggestions. I will continue to post as I stumble across any of these albums.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2014 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Here's one amusing exchange from the Talk Classical website about John Williams getting Oscar nominations for every 3rd film score he writes ...

Re: John Williams, I recall an exchange from the Jurassic Park Rifftrax:

"Weird Al" Yankovic: "I was going to do a John Williams parody, but then I realised he's been doing that himself for years."

Mike Nelson: "You can go to johnwilliamsscoregenerator.com, you describe what's happening on screen and then it ingores that and gives you the same theme every time..."

"Weird Al" Yankovic: "Ah..."

Mike Nelson: "...and every third time it gets nominated for an Oscar."

http://www.talkclassical.com/34867-dmitri-shostakovich-last-best-15.html

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2014 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

duplicate post

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2014 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Jokes are more fun if they have some grounding in reality; not when they're based on ignorance or prejudice like in that exchange. However, I do believe he can write anything he wants these days and still get nominated. That's about as far as I agree with the 'joke' of that exchange.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2015 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

How goes the Williams journey, Onya?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2015 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How goes the Williams journey, Onya?

Well, I don't exactly look for John Williams. Far from it. However, the only ones I stumble across are the ones from his Reaganite Cinema period, and these don't interest me in the least.

I did stumble across an early-ish one that is supposed to have jazz content, but it featured a harmonica, and I live in a harmonica free zone. It is possible that I own some LPs that were processed in a plant that made harmonica records, admittedly, but my allergy is not that severe.

I did find the Kenton album that features one of his pieces, but it was a stereo, and I would rather hold out for mono.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

How goeth it now, almost another year later? Shame on you for the lack of updates. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How goeth it now, almost another year later? Shame on you for the lack of updates. wink

I had a gift certificate to the greatest record store on earth, Dusty Groove, and as I was perusing their soundtrack section I came across a Johnny Williams title for only $3.99: Not With My Wife, You Don't.

As I read the title, I could almost imagine the cover art, and imagined that it starred Jack Lemmon, Tony Curtis, or both. I checked imdb and it stars Tony Curtis.

The LP was very good, and yet another example of how influential Henry Mancini was during that decade.

The LP even includes a Chico Hamilton/Gabor Szabo knockoff titled "Hungarian Jungle Rock" or something similar.

That is the only John Williams I have purchased since starting the thread.

EDIT: i paid dollar for AI and after one spin brought it right back to the thrift store.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2016 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

You get a bad rap around here, Onya. You have often expressed enthusiasm for John Willams' music, you're apparently just expressing it for the "wrong" era!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2016 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You get a bad rap around here, Onya. You have often expressed enthusiasm for John Willams' music, you're apparently just expressing it for the "wrong" era!

Thank you, Mr. Phelps.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Well, for a whopping dollar and change, I picked up a sealed copy of "Jaws" on CD. I have had the LP for a while. This CD has much more music than the LP, and it is conducted by that guy who makes all the Bernard Herrmann albums. Popping the seal and looking forward to spinning at a loud volume. Is this as close as Williams came to making an exotica album?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

This McNeely rerecording lacks the bite of the original...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2016 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This McNeely rerecording lacks the bite of the original...

Ba-dum-dum!

 
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