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Aug 20, 2013 - 9:44 PM
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SchiffyM
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They said it is due to licensing, but don't say in what way. Is it WB not wanting to deal with Juno Reactor and Paul Oakenfold, or is it them not wanting to deal with WB/La La. Or did La La not want to have to deal with Juno Reactor and Paul Oakenfold.
All of your theories have "not wanting to deal with" in them. While I have absolutely no inside info here, it is more than possible that the problem has nothing to do with wanting. There are artists who have exclusive deals with certain labels, there are deals made years ago that have limited rights. Perhaps Oakenfold and/or Juno Reactor were displeased with how the collaboration worked out, and won't allow the music issued past the film (which they were contractually bound to). There are myriad possibilities.
I did a television show about ten years ago where we wanted to license a song, but the copyright owner was bound by a deal granting rights to a company that was, when we wanted it, in the throes of bankruptcy (and, therefore, legally forbidden to do anything with it). The song was simply unlicensable, despite all parties wanting to make a deal. I'm sure that's not the case with this CD, but I offer it as an example of a music problem where willingness was not the problem.
But again, what do I know?
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Out of all the soundtrack companies out there that do this sort of thing which one goes far and beyond licensing, or attempting to license, ALL the music that is included in the film?
Commando
Die Hard
The Shootist/Sons of Katie Elder
Black Rain
Used Cars
Terminator The Sarah Conner Chronicles
Star Trek The Motion Picture
Star Trek The Original Series
Speed
We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.
To insinuate we didn't bother to attempt to license these two tracks is not only insulting to us but downright ignorant.
We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.
We spend tens of thousands of dollars on these releases and it sucks when you can't have the ideal product at the end of the day, but you just deal with it.
It bites, but that's the breaks sometime.
C'est la vie!
MV
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Aug 20, 2013 - 10:45 PM
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MikeP
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Out of all the soundtrack companies out there that do this sort of thing which one goes far and beyond licensing, or attempting to license, ALL the music that is included in the film?
Commando
Die Hard
The Shootist/Sons of Katie Elder
Black Rain
Used Cars
Terminator The Sarah Conner Chronicles
Star Trek The Motion Picture
Star Trek The Original Series
Speed
We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.
To insinuate we didn't bother to attempt to license these two tracks is not only insulting to us but downright ignorant.
We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.
It sucks, but that's the breaks sometime.
C'est la vie!
MV
Ah MV... I do thank you. This is really fantastic news. I mean...really...all 3 in one day?
The only thing that sucks is I'll be at work when they're released and won't be able to order until around midnight that night, EST. That means it'll be that much longer to get my sausage like fingers on these babies.
Wyatt Earp is the star this day...but I'll pick up Matrix, and being a huge Debney fan, likely Jobs as well. Again...sir...brilliant...
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Aug 20, 2013 - 10:55 PM
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MerM
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All of your theories have "not wanting to deal with" in them. While I have absolutely no inside info here, it is more than possible that the problem has nothing to do with wanting. There are artists who have exclusive deals with certain labels, there are deals made years ago that have limited rights. Perhaps Oakenfold and/or Juno Reactor were displeased with how the collaboration worked out, and won't allow the music issued past the film (which they were contractually bound to). There are myriad possibilities.
I did a television show about ten years ago where we wanted to license a song, but the copyright owner was bound by a deal granting rights to a company that was, when we wanted it, in the throes of bankruptcy (and, therefore, legally forbidden to do anything with it). The song was simply unlicensable, despite all parties wanting to make a deal. I'm sure that's not the case with this CD, but I offer it as an example of a music problem where willingness was not the problem.
But again, what do I know?
SchiffyM, thank you for lending reason and perspective to these threads time and again. Certain posters here (like the other one you quoted) are direly lacking in it.
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Aug 20, 2013 - 11:13 PM
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TheSeeker
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We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.
We spend tens of thousands of dollars on these releases and it sucks when you can't have the ideal product at the end of the day, but you just deal with it.
It bites, but that's the breaks sometime.
C'est la vie!
MV
In summarising his posts, none of this will matter to jwb, MV, because the two tracks (totalling six minutes out of 150) aren't included, he therefore won't buy the set, he will continue to insinuate that you didn't do a good enough job and he'll wait another ten years until somebody does it the right way. That is, his way. I mean, what?
Probably, he also holds you responsible for all the horrible traffic on the I-405, because of reasons!
Ahem...sorry about that. Shared irritation is half the irritation, right? 
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Aug 21, 2013 - 2:49 AM
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tarasis
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We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.
I'm curious what you had to negotiate with Nimoy and Downey Jr. Was it for use of likeness? (I know you probably can't answer) I'm also curious how much Costner was involved in Wyatt, IIRC you've mentioned before you were waiting on him approving the art.
Hopefully Wyatt will do well enough that we might see an expanded & remastered Waterworld.
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