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Of those tracks wouldn't be "Confrontation" - the lone track Safan wrote for Michael Mann's Thief?
It would actually be, in escense, two tracks. Here is an exceprt from my interview with him from my Rejected Film Scores website:
"Michael was unhappy with the music for the entire ending of the film (around 10 minutes) and Bob recommended me to compose new music. I wrote a long, moody rock piece with screaming guitar. Bob and Michael took it and then moved the elements around and shaped it to their liking. So what I wrote was totally used, just in a slightly altered form."
So, you have the track as edited in the film, then you have the original version still not heard by fans.
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FINALLY, a track listing!
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yes where is GOOD GUYS WEAR BLACK????
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I wonder how long this deal will last? I have over half their titles and the titles I do not have do not interest me. I already own the Safans. So, I hope they release some interesting titles in the next few months and the deal is still on.
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I put in an order for several of Perseverance's rare titles to get Safan's promo, which includes cues from two relatively unknown films from his early career: The Legend of Billie Jean and Corvette Summer.
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Friends: This Safan promo is nothing short of a bootleg that is being used as a giveaway to sweeten sales of other titles in the so-called Perseverance catalog. I know for a fact that there is at least one title on it for which another label was working on a full, proper edition, that may now never happen.
This is why none of us at the legitimate labels can stand Robin -- his idiocy and shortcuts leave behind a wake of bad feelings and misunderstandings that make it so much harder for everyone else to do good work.
Lukas
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So, it wasn't produced for promotional purposes of the composer, as the tray art says, but rather just made as a deal sweetener? That's pretty bad.
Question: How in the world could they have had access to tapes for all this rare stuff in order to make it?
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Uppss... But wasn't this album released with he permission of the composer, and the tapes provided by himself as well??
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Jul 21, 2013 - 3:24 PM
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The 'promo', without taking sides, does appear to have full composer approval. See the threads about the Perseverance signing session next week with Safan in attendance.
And let's hope the mystery soundtrack CD at another label still comes off. Most of the excerpts leave you wanting more. Except Lady Beware since we have had more already, hard to find though it probably is. And perhaps Mission of the Sharks, the portion of which presented here is based entirely around one theme. A theme which, unfortunately, has been cribbed in its entirety from the opening of Mahler's 3rd.
Secrets of the Titanic, represented with a couple of lovely tracks, has been bootlegged already in full, at least as download files. It's been kicking around for a few years, probably from a DVD rip.
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The mystery CD Lukas and McD are talking about is Mission of the Shark and will be released by Intrada. This is what Roger Feigelson posted on the Intrada message board:
Guys, I know you are good upstanding citizens and would not be interested in supporting a business that is not on the level. I don't usually discuss upcoming projects, as you know, but I have spent considerable amount of time unraveling some legal tangles on Craig Safan's MISSION OF THE SHARK and finally got clearance from all interested parties last week -- just in time to see Perseverance scooped out three tracks and put them on a promo that is unlicensed. This will not impact our project because we intend to release the entire score paired with another Safan score, but I am really frustrated to see this complete disregard for the rules when I worked pretty hard to get this one cleared.
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5686
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Jul 22, 2013 - 4:41 PM
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...upcoming Intrada Mission Of The Shark CD...
Good luck to them and despite my misgivings about that score in particular (the theme is a straight lift from Mahler), I'll definitely be buying it. Looking forward to hearing what the other score will be.
Having said that, and again without taking sides, the 'promo' CD may be unofficial as far as the film companies go, but it has been fully endorsed by the composer seemingly right down to the tracks chosen / notes / artwork. This disc is a Craig Safan project as much as a Perseverance one and if it clashes with an official release then Safan himself is as much to blame as they are. Only, of course, if he was fully in the loop about the upcoming Intrada disc.
(I have no dog in this fight - this is my first direct Perseverance purchase - and yes, I was hooked in by the Safan CD)
On a different note, does anyone know anything about Safan's Secrets of the Titanic score? As I mentioned earlier, mp3s of the full score have been floating around for a while and I assumed it was a DVD rip. But I've just noticed that the quality is as good as the recent promo, there are no fx, and the track titles mirror the ones Safan is now using on his promo. Was this slated for release or leaked by the composer? I can't find any mention of a CD, promo or otherwise, anywhere. And I'm pretty sure my Safan CD collection is 100% complete.
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Question to labels reading:
Roger makes reference to the music not being licensed. But I thought promo's, which are not for sale and therefore no profit, don't need to be licensed. If that were the case, there's hundreds of composers out there illegally using promos to promote their work.
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Jul 22, 2013 - 6:20 PM
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Question to labels reading:
Roger makes reference to the music not being licensed. But I thought promo's, which are not for sale and therefore no profit, don't need to be licensed. If that were the case, there's hundreds of composers out there illegally using promos to promote their work.
I'm not a label, but…
Composers are allowed to promote their work, and press CDs to do so. But these CDs are supposed to go only to people with an opportunity to hire them. This is why they typically say "For promotional use only, not for sale." But about twenty years ago, this became a loophole, since so many were, of course, for sale, in that you could buy them. Some composers did this as a way to offset the cost of producing the promo, others just wanted their music out there. In the 1990s, this became a very common practice, and, of course, Intrada produced some of these very promos. A lot of these were promos in name only, and naturally the studios and musicians caught wind of this and objected. Just stamping the words "not for sale" on a disc doesn't make it a promo if it's for sale.
Of course, things have changed a lot since the '90s, and so many scores that could not have been released at any reasonable cost back then are now in our greedy little hands.
Because Perserverance is not technically selling this CD, they've found a new loophole. But because it is used as a come on to get people to buy other CDs, it's not really a promo, either.
Which is why producers of legitimate, licensed CDs are irked.
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That doesn't address the licensing comment though. It's a little confusing -- hoping some label can shed light on it.
Nobody complained when BuySoundtrax included a promo of "Jobman" recently, or when Intrada threw in a 2CD promo of "The Core" for those who ordered "The Tower" (back in 2004).
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Watching The Wire for the first time (FINALLY), the warring corners in the Baltimore drug world remind me so much of the soundtrack game these days. This in particular. Is this just another part of what haineshisway foretold some time ago?
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