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 Posted:   Jul 18, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Of those tracks wouldn't be "Confrontation" - the lone track Safan wrote for Michael Mann's Thief?

It would actually be, in escense, two tracks. Here is an exceprt from my interview with him from my Rejected Film Scores website:

"Michael was unhappy with the music for the entire ending of the film (around 10 minutes) and Bob recommended me to compose new music. I wrote a long, moody rock piece with screaming guitar. Bob and Michael took it and then moved the elements around and shaped it to their liking. So what I wrote was totally used, just in a slightly altered form."

So, you have the track as edited in the film, then you have the original version still not heard by fans.

 Posted:   Jul 18, 2013 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

No, Confrontation from Thief isn't on this. You can hear what I assume is the whole thing from the OOP Thief score CD (the rare one that included Safan) on his website (it lasts about 5:30).

Confrontation from Lady Beware is included though bizarrely enough, now renamed 'Beware's Confrontation'. The Lady Beware tracks are all 10 -20 seconds out from the original tracks so may not be absolutely identical. Here's a pic of the back cover with all the tracks listed:

 Posted:   Jul 18, 2013 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

FINALLY, a track listing!

 Posted:   Jul 18, 2013 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Freejack   (Member)

What no tracks from GOOD GUYS WEAR BLACK?

Classic vintage Safan grooves...big grin

 Posted:   Jul 18, 2013 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Does anyone know how long his offer lasts?

 Posted:   Jul 20, 2013 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   David Kessler   (Member)

yes where is GOOD GUYS WEAR BLACK????

 Posted:   Jul 20, 2013 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

I wonder how long this deal will last? I have over half their titles and the titles I do not have do not interest me. I already own the Safans. So, I hope they release some interesting titles in the next few months and the deal is still on.

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   jpteacher568   (Member)

I put in an order for several of Perseverance's rare titles to get Safan's promo, which includes cues from two relatively unknown films from his early career: The Legend of Billie Jean and Corvette Summer.

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Friends: This Safan promo is nothing short of a bootleg that is being used as a giveaway to sweeten sales of other titles in the so-called Perseverance catalog. I know for a fact that there is at least one title on it for which another label was working on a full, proper edition, that may now never happen.

This is why none of us at the legitimate labels can stand Robin -- his idiocy and shortcuts leave behind a wake of bad feelings and misunderstandings that make it so much harder for everyone else to do good work.


 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

Very bad news!!! I can't understand how could be possible for Perseverance to make a bootleg without law consequences..... Where did Robin found the master tapes?

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

So, it wasn't produced for promotional purposes of the composer, as the tray art says, but rather just made as a deal sweetener? That's pretty bad.

Question: How in the world could they have had access to tapes for all this rare stuff in order to make it?

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Uppss... But wasn't this album released with he permission of the composer, and the tapes provided by himself as well??

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

The 'promo', without taking sides, does appear to have full composer approval. See the threads about the Perseverance signing session next week with Safan in attendance.

And let's hope the mystery soundtrack CD at another label still comes off. Most of the excerpts leave you wanting more. Except Lady Beware since we have had more already, hard to find though it probably is. And perhaps Mission of the Sharks, the portion of which presented here is based entirely around one theme. A theme which, unfortunately, has been cribbed in its entirety from the opening of Mahler's 3rd.

Secrets of the Titanic, represented with a couple of lovely tracks, has been bootlegged already in full, at least as download files. It's been kicking around for a few years, probably from a DVD rip.

 Posted:   Jul 21, 2013 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Does anyone know how long his offer lasts?

I'm out

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

The mystery CD Lukas and McD are talking about is Mission of the Shark and will be released by Intrada. This is what Roger Feigelson posted on the Intrada message board:

Guys, I know you are good upstanding citizens and would not be interested in supporting a business that is not on the level. I don't usually discuss upcoming projects, as you know, but I have spent considerable amount of time unraveling some legal tangles on Craig Safan's MISSION OF THE SHARK and finally got clearance from all interested parties last week -- just in time to see Perseverance scooped out three tracks and put them on a promo that is unlicensed. This will not impact our project because we intend to release the entire score paired with another Safan score, but I am really frustrated to see this complete disregard for the rules when I worked pretty hard to get this one cleared.

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

...upcoming Intrada Mission Of The Shark CD...

Good luck to them and despite my misgivings about that score in particular (the theme is a straight lift from Mahler), I'll definitely be buying it. Looking forward to hearing what the other score will be.

Having said that, and again without taking sides, the 'promo' CD may be unofficial as far as the film companies go, but it has been fully endorsed by the composer seemingly right down to the tracks chosen / notes / artwork. This disc is a Craig Safan project as much as a Perseverance one and if it clashes with an official release then Safan himself is as much to blame as they are. Only, of course, if he was fully in the loop about the upcoming Intrada disc.

(I have no dog in this fight - this is my first direct Perseverance purchase - and yes, I was hooked in by the Safan CD)

On a different note, does anyone know anything about Safan's Secrets of the Titanic score? As I mentioned earlier, mp3s of the full score have been floating around for a while and I assumed it was a DVD rip. But I've just noticed that the quality is as good as the recent promo, there are no fx, and the track titles mirror the ones Safan is now using on his promo. Was this slated for release or leaked by the composer? I can't find any mention of a CD, promo or otherwise, anywhere. And I'm pretty sure my Safan CD collection is 100% complete.

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Question to labels reading:

Roger makes reference to the music not being licensed. But I thought promo's, which are not for sale and therefore no profit, don't need to be licensed. If that were the case, there's hundreds of composers out there illegally using promos to promote their work.

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Question to labels reading:

Roger makes reference to the music not being licensed. But I thought promo's, which are not for sale and therefore no profit, don't need to be licensed. If that were the case, there's hundreds of composers out there illegally using promos to promote their work.

I'm not a label, but…

Composers are allowed to promote their work, and press CDs to do so. But these CDs are supposed to go only to people with an opportunity to hire them. This is why they typically say "For promotional use only, not for sale." But about twenty years ago, this became a loophole, since so many were, of course, for sale, in that you could buy them. Some composers did this as a way to offset the cost of producing the promo, others just wanted their music out there. In the 1990s, this became a very common practice, and, of course, Intrada produced some of these very promos. A lot of these were promos in name only, and naturally the studios and musicians caught wind of this and objected. Just stamping the words "not for sale" on a disc doesn't make it a promo if it's for sale.

Of course, things have changed a lot since the '90s, and so many scores that could not have been released at any reasonable cost back then are now in our greedy little hands.

Because Perserverance is not technically selling this CD, they've found a new loophole. But because it is used as a come on to get people to buy other CDs, it's not really a promo, either.

Which is why producers of legitimate, licensed CDs are irked.

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

That doesn't address the licensing comment though. It's a little confusing -- hoping some label can shed light on it.

Nobody complained when BuySoundtrax included a promo of "Jobman" recently, or when Intrada threw in a 2CD promo of "The Core" for those who ordered "The Tower" (back in 2004).

 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Watching The Wire for the first time (FINALLY), the warring corners in the Baltimore drug world remind me so much of the soundtrack game these days. This in particular. Is this just another part of what haineshisway foretold some time ago?

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