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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Alex Cox did some stuff on this for his moviedrome series. I think there was an accompanying book.
That's where the story comes from about everyone involved begging Corbucci to change the downbeat ending but him sticking to his er...guns and insisting.

Thor, you introducing this film is like me being asked to be an overnight expert and introduce a Star wars sequel if it was zimmer composing!! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Alex Cox did some stuff on this for his moviedrome series. I think there was an accompanying book.
That's where the story comes from about everyone involved begging Corbucci to change the downbeat ending but him sticking to his er...guns and insisting.

Thor, you introducing this film is like me being asked to be an overnight expert and introduce a Star wars sequel if it was zimmer composing!! wink


Next month: Thor’s symposium on John Barry (in Norway).

I’m in the northeast on business today and the countryside isn’t unlike that in Il Grande Silenzio. Will be looking out for Klaus in North Shields...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He, he...yeah, no expert on the film. But I do know a fair bit about Morricone, and I'm not too shabby at assembling observations about a film, even after just two viewings, years apart. It's my profession, after all.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

He, he...yeah, no expert on the film. But I do know a fair bit about Morricone, and I'm not too shabby at assembling observations about a film, even after just two viewings, years apart. It's my profession, after all.

And your observations are more often than not really helpful to me my friend. I extend my gratitude.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   David Anthony   (Member)

For me this has been one of my favourite film scores, and indeed Morricone scores, since I first acquired the Beat soundtrack LP and then saw the movie around 30 years ago. It's a unique movie, and indeed unique among Morricone's western scores, although you could say the same about other post Leone EM western scores like DA UOMO A UOMO or FACCIA A FACCIA. He tried hard not to repeat the same style of score he wrote for Leone. As Nicolai says it is not just a good score, it is a great score, and if it was written for a more widely known film then there would be more people saying this I think.

One of the things that I love about this score are the orchestrations, the use of acoustic/stringed instruments, the unusual use of percussion, the action cues are among the best EM wrote (ie Passaggi Nel Tempo), Alessandroni's chorus (especially the Voci Nel Deserto cue - truly beautiful), the lavish and moving love theme (Invito all’ Amore - played without any dialogue and in full in the movie) and of cause the stunning main theme. But what adds so greatly to the atmosphere in the film are the low key suspenseful and indeed atmospheric tracks, with those tinkling sounds (ie Immobile). The cold and icy wastelands are captured by the Maestro’s music, the bleak ending of the movie is foretold in much of his music. The final track on the album, the ominous L'Ultimo Gesto, reminds me of the symphonic score EM wrote for NOVECENTO. The only track that does not fit with the rest of the music is the honky tonk piano piece which I tend to edit out when I listen to the CD. But overall the recording works great as a listening experience (the sequencing – so often an achilles heel on Morricone albums, is excellent) and this is one score I never get tired of listening to, it gives me something new each time.

This is one of the few Morricone scores that has not seen an expanded edition, having watched the movie a couple of times I can say that the LP does capture most of the music Morricone wrote for the film. There are a few variations on the more atmospheric pieces that I recall are not on the album. This would explain why we have not seen any expanded release, although it is possible EM wrote and recorded more music that was used in the film and might still be unreleased.

I would strongly recommend anyone who only owns the LP to pick up the CD, as the intricacies of the orchestration are much clearer on the CD.

Finally someone noted on this thread that parts of OCEANO have similar orchestration to some of SILENZIO, I would agree with that. Especially the expanded GDM release of OCEANO is superb and one of the best Morricone expansions.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

For me this has been one of my favourite film scores, and indeed Morricone scores, since I first acquired the Beat soundtrack LP and then saw the movie around 30 years ago. It's a unique movie, and indeed unique among Morricone's western scores, although you could say the same about other post Leone EM western scores like DA UOMO A UOMO or FACCIA A FACCIA. He tried hard not to repeat the same style of score he wrote for Leone. As Nicolai says it is not just a good score, it is a great score, and if it was written for a more widely known film then there would be more people saying this I think.

One of the things that I love about this score are the orchestrations, the use of acoustic/stringed instruments, the unusual use of percussion, the action cues are among the best EM wrote (ie Passaggi Nel Tempo), Alessandroni's chorus (especially the Voci Nel Deserto cue - truly beautiful), the lavish and moving love theme (Invito all’ Amore - played without any dialogue and in full in the movie) and of cause the stunning main theme. But what adds so greatly to the atmosphere in the film are the low key suspenseful and indeed atmospheric tracks, with those tinkling sounds (ie Immobile). The cold and icy wastelands are captured by the Maestro’s music, the bleak ending of the movie is foretold in much of his music. The final track on the album, the ominous L'Ultimo Gesto, reminds me of the symphonic score EM wrote for NOVECENTO. The only track that does not fit with the rest of the music is the honky tonk piano piece which I tend to edit out when I listen to the CD. But overall the recording works great as a listening experience (the sequencing – so often an achilles heel on Morricone albums, is excellent) and this is one score I never get tired of listening to, it gives me something new each time.

This is one of the few Morricone scores that has not seen an expanded edition, having watched the movie a couple of times I can say that the LP does capture most of the music Morricone wrote for the film. There are a few variations on the more atmospheric pieces that I recall are not on the album. This would explain why we have not seen any expanded release, although it is possible EM wrote and recorded more music that was used in the film and might still be unreleased.

I would strongly recommend anyone who only owns the LP to pick up the CD, as the intricacies of the orchestration are much clearer on the CD.

Finally someone noted on this thread that parts of OCEANO have similar orchestration to some of SILENZIO, I would agree with that. Especially the expanded GDM release of OCEANO is superb and one of the best Morricone expansions.


This is hugely helpful, thank you!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Great observations, David. A lot of what you say mirror my own.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm currently sampling the score for the first time, via Youtube, thanks to the comments in this thread.


Initial thoughts:

Pleasant opening cue. And the reprise a few cues later with some different ideas is nice, too.

Didn't like the second and third tracks.



The score is not s memorable as other Morricone efforts I have heard, I feel. And I don't think -- contrary to another poster's opinion -- this would be as famous if it had been to a better movie. It just doesn't have the certain somethings that made "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" work so well.


The theme didn't stick with me right away, but I know after two or three listenings I'll get it, as opposed to some Beltrami theme ten listenings later I couldn't hum to save my life.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The score is not s memorable as other Morricone efforts I have heard, I feel. And I don't think -- contrary to another poster's opinion -- this would be as famous if it had been to a better movie. It just doesn't have the certain somethings that made "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" work so well.

That's because it's a very different kind of movie. It doesn't have the grandeur and mythological sweep of the Leone films. This is something far more brutal and gritty.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Certain somethings in the score. I don't give a jack shit about the movies attached to scores when listening to scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

My two cents. Since this was done soon after the Dollars trilogy I felt in the 3 westerns he did in a row (IL GRANDE SILENZIO, THE MERCENARY and ONCE UPON A TIME) he was trying to get as far from those as he could. The absolutely ethereal feel of this one vs. the heavily ethnic MERCENARY vs. the practically operatic ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, really set them apart (and probably made him feel less repetitious and bored).

Not sure how B-movie this is. This is when spaghetti westerns were at the peak of popularity and the budgets were at their highest. And if you are talking B in the material this is among a large batch of them that was particularly political in it's subtext. it was also pretty bleak which was certainly not mainstream. Also Jean-Louis Trintignant did this between his international hits A MAN AND A WOMAN and Z, so he probably wasn't all that cheap.

Also as I started seeing many of these westerns over the years and was impressed by how Leone, Corbucci, Sollima and others would be such sticklers for detail. From IMDB a comment about the gun used:
"Silence's distinctive rapid-firing pistol is the 7.63mm Mauser C96, nicknamed the "Broomhandle" for its distinctive wooden grip. The pistol was first produced in 1896, two years before the events of the film."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2018 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

I've seen the movie only once - a long time ago - and second most opinions expressed thus far, especially David Anthony's fine review. This intense score contains some of the most subtle stuff ever penned by the Maestro, including the stunning Immobile. And wasn't it original to feature a sitar in a snowy picture like this one? He doesn't get any credit but no doubt Dino Asciolla is featured on solo viola in the poignant Invito all'amore. One of EM's best efforts regardless of the genre. The romantic cues have that baroque feel we also find in scores like LA CALIFFA. And the rolling piano motive has something in common with LA MONACA DI MONZA, a score from the same period. This score blending tuneful stuff with more experimental ideas makes for a great listening experience.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I've been going through a Morricone phase recently and I picked this title up based on the recommendations on this thread. What a fantastic score.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I've been going through a Morricone phase recently and I picked this title up based on the recommendations on this thread. What a fantastic score.

That's one I've been curious about. I've been so busy being blown away by Days of Heaven I haven't had time to check it out yet.

But I have weird taste in Morricone. Besides the obvious favorites, DoH and Mission, my "other" favorite is Phantom of the Opera.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   brofax   (Member)

As far as I can see it has not been mentioned that this EM score was one of those early ones conducted by the great Bruno Nicolai.

The alternative "happy ending" is hilarious - reminding me of those Saturday Morning serials of the 50's - and would have destroyed the film if it had been used.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2018 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Movies4men uk tv have a rare screening of Big Silence friday morning at 10.55am. Be careful it is listed in 2 parts.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2018 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   brofax   (Member)

Thanks for the tip-off. I don't understand why M4M divide their movies into two-part "series". However, tomorrow's "Intermission" is a compilation of all the great footballers from Pele to Messi.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2018 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yeah the mini football profiles are a daily thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2018 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Did John Williams do this?

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2018 - 4:28 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Movies4men uk tv have a rare screening of Big Silence friday morning at 10.55am. Be careful it is listed in 2 parts.

Thanks for the tip off Bill, strangely, it's not listed as a two parter on my TV, anyway it's set for recording and as far as I can tell, the recording time covers the entire film.

I'll know better when I watch it tomorrow night.

 
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