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 Posted:   Jan 9, 2010 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Brandon   (Member)

Lukas - "They also defer to Williams, whose people run up big mixing bills and do not orient the releases to collectors' wishes (as happened on the recent Indy box)"

Did Williams' people have any influence on FSM's Superman box?

I don't remember reading about anything lacking with that release.

Is it the combination of Williams and Lucasfilm?

Brandon

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2010 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

I'm sure one day we'll end up getting the complete intended editions for the Prequel scores, it's just a matter of time. It's possible when the Saga set (movies) are released on Blu-Ray we'll get the complete intended edition scores for the Prequels. They don't have to worry about re-use fees since they were recorded in England.

Lucasfilm should take a page out of the Lord Of The Ring book and see that us film score fans do want the music, all of it was originally written and intended for. Not a chopped up isolated score. Us music fans had the right to bitch about the so called Ultimate Edition for The Phantom Menace.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2010 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The film music fan community segment is now a legion of its own and it has to be reckoned with.

What makes you think that? We're a niche market, plain and simple, and while Star Wars may be much more popular than just our crew, few others are quite as exacting about it as we are.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2010 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The film music fan community segment is now a legion of its own and it has to be reckoned with.

What makes you think that? We're a niche market, plain and simple, and while Star Wars may be much more popular than just our crew, few others are quite as exacting about it as we are.


Niche ? Yes but its much bigger niche than it was some 15 years ago. Maybe you are underestimating your self now;

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2010 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

The film music fan community segment is now a legion of its own and it has to be reckoned with.

What makes you think that? We're a niche market, plain and simple, and while Star Wars may be much more popular than just our crew, few others are quite as exacting about it as we are.


Exactly.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Niche ? Yes but its much bigger niche than it was some 15 years ago. Maybe you are underestimating your self now;

Is it? The Star Wars box set was released 1993, was among the first of the expanded film music releases, and these were in brick and mortar retail stores and often on major labels. The "man on the street" that might have still been interested in the box set back then would most likely just download a "best of" compilation and call it a day now.

It may feel much larger because of the way that the internet has allowed us to all connect in places like this one, but soundtrack albums don't usually move in numbers that interest major labels.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

People keep mentioning the back lash that the so called Ultimate Edition for The Phantom Menace had. Well we film score fans had every right to be pissed about that.

That was advertised as having every note written for the film when it clearly did not. If it truly had every note written for the film it would have all the unused music in it too...example: the Special Editions of the Original Trilogy scores. All the so called Ultimate Edition for The Phantom Menace was, was one big chopped up, looped and clunky edited crap.

Ya it was nice to have the unreleased material in such high quality...but I would have preferred for them to wait a few years and release the score properly.

They don't have to worry about re-use fees at all since the scores were recorded in England...and I'd wish they'd get their heads out of their asses and let Intrada, FSM, or La-La Land release all three intended scores.

They need to come on these boards and read, read that we film score fans do want all the music as originally written for, not some hacked up isolated score. If they allowed one of the labels to make a non limited release for the complete intended editions with excellent liner notes like the RCA OT sets they would make a lot of money off of them.

There's a lot of great music for all three scores (especially for Revenge Of The Sith) and as I said I do think they'd make money off these sets if they let one of the labels release them. It's sad too that they would make someone pay top dollar for the material...

It was reported back in 2002 that Sony had an Ultimate Edition for Attack Of The Clones ready to go. Completely with looped, clunky edited material and even tracked TPM material. However, Lucasfilm pulled the project on it probably because in back lash of the Ultimate Edition for The Phantom Menace. I say this because Battlefront 2 and The Force Unleashed feature some unreleased AOTC music which are truly their film version counter parts.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Niche ? Yes but its much bigger niche than it was some 15 years ago. Maybe you are underestimating your self now;

Is it? The Star Wars box set was released 1993, was among the first of the expanded film music releases, and these were in brick and mortar retail stores and often on major labels. The "man on the street" that might have still been interested in the box set back then would most likely just download a "best of" compilation and call it a day now.

It may feel much larger because of the way that the internet has allowed us to all connect in places like this one, but soundtrack albums don't usually move in numbers that interest major labels.



That also easily explains why the original Star Wars Trilogy 2cd sets were re issued at least twice this past decade. And the fact that the extra DVD disc on Episode III also contained remixed and remastered sound in 5.1 mix says a lot more too. smile Im sure there is more of these in the offing this decade too..

Amer

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

That also easily explains why the original Star Wars Trilogy 2cd sets were re issued at least twice this past decade. And the fact that the extra DVD disc on Episode III also contained remixed and remastered sound in 5.1 mix says a lot more too. smile Im sure there is more of these in the offing this decade too..

They were re-issued once because they changed from one label to another, other than that there were just cover art changes to tie into the releases of the films on DVD. When the rights went to Sony, many were speculating that this would mean a remaster (perhaps even an SACD release), but they used the exact same masters as the RCA sets did.

I think you're reading too much into the remaster for the "Greatest Hits" DVD in the ROTS album. All of the Star Wars scores were now under one roof, so to speak, and that was a new project (save, obviously, "Duel of the Fates") in a different format, requiring a new mix. It proves that the elements are in better condition than they appear on the RCA sets, but not that there is any intention of releasing remasters, however nice that would be.

I'd like to be proven wrong, of course, but…

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   TownerFan   (Member)

We'll surely see new re-releases of Star Wars music. It's just a matter of time. When Lucasfilm will decide they want to milk the cow again, they'll throw out something. However, I'm dubious it will be something like the glorious complete archival presentation of all six scores à là LOTR Complete Recordings sets...

Right now Lucasfilm appears to be in full kids-oriented mode concerning his products. THE CLONE WARS cartoons are very popular, so they're aiming all their products towards the kids target. The grown-ups aren't a very remunerative target right now. There are talks about Lucas re-releasing the six films in theaters in 3D, which is the hottest thing now in Hollywood, so maybe there will be another music re-release coinciding with that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)

Right now Lucasfilm appears to be in full kids-oriented mode concerning his products. THE CLONE WARS cartoons are very popular, so they're aiming all their products towards the kids target. The grown-ups aren't a very remunerative target right now.

Add to that that many grown up fans of STAR WARS behave like kids when that subject matter comes up! wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2010 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

We'll surely see new re-releases of Star Wars music.

Of course we will. I just doubt they will be remastered.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

I just do not understand what's happened at Lucasfilm. At one point they were at the cutting edge and raised the bar for others to follow.

They had the (at the time) cutting edge awesome laserdisc THX mastered releases of the original trilogy - what a superb box set that was. And it wasnt long before we saw individual releases too.

We then had the amazing Anthology box set which - again - set the standard for others to follow.

Those were GREAT days to be a Star Wars fan...

Now fast forward and Lucasfilm were one of the LAST to release their major motion pictures onto DVD, and I have a feeling it will be the same with Blu-ray.

The Lucasfilm of old would surely have embraced SACD/DVD-A/High res downloads as readily as they embraced the cutting edge of Laserdisc and CD (for the Anthology). It cannot be about the money - surely they realise that a properly remastered set (like the Lord of the Rings CD/DVD-A complete editions) would sell extremely well. Heck ANYthing with Star Wars on sells well.....

The high res selections on the free DVD of Star Wars a music journey sound superb - particularly Jedi! So they DO still have good condition elements, or high res transfers. If only someone there would see the value in doing the Star Wars equivalent of the Superman box set. They'd rake it in!

Confusing... and very frustrating!

I must get around to compiling my own ultimate edition from the Anthology/2-CD/Double LP sets and stop winging wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   cirtap   (Member)

....as far as Blu Ray is concerned. both Lucas and Spielberg have said it aint happening, and they're reasoning is that there is something waiting in the wings beyond BLU RAY!!! A Chip? They are not talking, but I know they are not going to release any of their work on Blu Ray.

And in the meantime if you want to hear the Whole Soundtracks to all the Star Wars what was in the films, Someone Iso the music on You Tube.....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

....as far as Blu Ray is concerned. both Lucas and Spielberg have said it aint happening, and they're reasoning is that there is something waiting in the wings beyond BLU RAY!!! A Chip? They are not talking, but I know they are not going to release any of their work on Blu Ray.

Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind is on Blu-ray. As is Spielberg's Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And Lucas just released the Clone Wars Animated series on Blu-ray.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

....as far as Blu Ray is concerned. both Lucas and Spielberg have said it aint happening, and they're reasoning is that there is something waiting in the wings beyond BLU RAY!!! A Chip? They are not talking, but I know they are not going to release any of their work on Blu Ray.

Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind is on Blu-ray. As is Spielberg's Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And Lucas just released the Clone Wars Animated series on Blu-ray.


The Indy trilogy is coming to Blu Ray later this year

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Both Lucas and Spielberg are late adopters in new home media formats, for strategic reasons. Basically, they want the format to gain wide acceptance so they have a big audience for their releases, rather than their movies be used to help legitimize a format. Remember that the original "Star Wars" movies didn't come out on DVD until late 2004.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

One might also note that Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the movie) and Star Wars: The Clone Wars (the complete first season of the TV series) have all in fact been released on Blu-ray already; CE3K actually came out even before the hi-def format war was over.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2010 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

Dumb question for Lukas ...but this would be in regards to Lucasfilm, would probably would have had to pay top dollar in order to release the complete scores for the first three Indiana Jones scores?

I know that if you guys or maybe even Intrada or La-La Land had been given a chance to release the Indy scores you guys would have gotten it right.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2010 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Both Lucas and Spielberg are late adopters in new home media formats, for strategic reasons. Basically, they want the format to gain wide acceptance so they have a big audience for their releases, rather than their movies be used to help legitimize a format. Remember that the original "Star Wars" movies didn't come out on DVD until late 2004.


You see this is what I don't understand - they were the ones diving into Laserdisc back when, no waiting around to see if that was mass market or not (and it never was for LD). They set the bar sky high with their THX certified discs and extras. Today they no longer seem that fussed about putting together market leading box sets that set the standards for everyone to follow. Just off the top of my head, they should already have done for Star Wars and Indy what was done for the Blade Runner box set - all cuts of the film and loads of extras...

Anyways sorry - derailing this soundtrack thread a little now. And yes Close Encounters was released before the format war was over - and a superb disc it is - but was really focusing on Lucasfilm in particular.

 
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