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 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)

I don't think Bond should write it--he's not nearly enough of a fan of Goldsmith's music.

At the same time, there's a danger that you might get someone who's too attached to Goldsmith that he or she's viewpoint may become skewed. A book? I'm all for it. I'd like to know a bit more about the man. One of the bright lights in the recent dark days has been an anecdotal picture of Goldsmith himself.


Ever read the Goldsmith/Jeff Bond "Downward Spiral Road" piece from FSM's 10th anniversary issue? There's a hilarious (and bittersweet) timeline (ouch!) that chronicles the ups and downs of Bond/Jerry. The piece claims that Jeff approached Goldsmith at a concert in Detroit and told the maestro that he "worships him as a god." This is where the FSM/Jerry troubles began, I think. BTW, I've always loved the "Lukas Kendall Remembers" editorial from that same issue. It's probably the best thing ever written in the magazine's history, IMO.

As for Bond being "too much" of a fan, his fan love for all things STAR TREK didn't seem to interfere with his criticisms of the lesser TREK scores, did it? While that book was written with obvious affection, Bond still produced a fine book on TREK music, and so far is the only book on the subject to date. So why not a bio? Lord knows we need one.




I was in contact with Goldsmiths daughter Ellen about 18 months back she told me about the book, but I thought she had not continued with the project....john m.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

It does appear that LK is doomed to piss off everybody in the Goldsmith family!

That's the same thought I had when I read Lukas' post. Very sad, especially because I'd never suspect that Lukas has less than the best intentions in everything he does...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Its too bad Lukas because I know deep down inside you love his work. Unfortunantly some rocks fall in the wrong Valley, it seems you and the Goldsmiths dont mix.



sd smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

I know from some small personal experience that Lukas' efforts to help and promote the craft and art of film music are done with nothing less than the best intentions. As in life, sometimes things don't work out. Misunderstandings, cross-purpose communications etc can happen. However, Lukas has proven many many times that he has few peers with regard to the preservation and promotion of film music's place in our crowded and fickle culture.

I hope things can be worked out.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Its too bad Lukas because I know deep down inside you love his work. Unfortunantly some rocks fall in the wrong Valley, it seems you and the Goldsmiths dont mix.



sd smile



Honestly? Why do people post stuff like this? How many JG scores has Lukas released? More than a few.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Damn shame.
At least we got those excerpts...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Its too bad Lukas because I know deep down inside you love his work. Unfortunantly some rocks fall in the wrong Valley, it seems you and the Goldsmiths dont mix.



sd smile



Honestly? Why do people post stuff like this? How many JG scores has Lukas released? More than a few.



Get a grip Im not attacking him, I know Lukas loves Goldsmiths work, geesh.
I ment he has had more than his fair share of problems with the Goldsmith family.
Not a attack a observation.

sd smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Forgive my frustration but why does this have to get published anyway? Can't they just upload the work onto Joel's site so we can read it like was the case with the chapters allready featured? Or does there absolutely have to be a commercial aspect involved here?

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Forgive my frustration but why does this have to get published anyway? Can't they just upload the work onto Joel's site so we can read it like was the case with the chapters allready featured? Or does there absolutely have to be a commercial aspect involved here?


I guess they could maybe do a abbreviated version from his site, I posted the question there , but it takes awhile to get a response.
Joel stays pretty busy.
I tried sending Carrie a email message but nothing.
So we wait some more.

Sigh frown




 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I would prefer to have this in actual book form than to have to sit infront of a computer and read it. I was really looking forward to this book, so I hope something comes of it in the near future and that we haven't heard the last about it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

Can't they just upload the work onto Joel's site so we can read it like was the case with the chapters allready featured?

If there are some legal matters that have their share in preventing this book to be published, I guess that these would apply to an online publication as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


If there are some legal matters that have their share in preventing this book to be published, I guess that these would apply to an online publication as well.


True, but let's face it; If profits are involved, people are more likely to take notice wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

True, but let's face it; If profits are involved, people are more likely to take notice wink

Depends on the number and the sort of egos that would suffer if Jerry's unfiltered thoughts about his peers and the industry became public.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

True, but let's face it; If profits are involved, people are more likely to take notice wink

Depends on the number and the sort of egos that would suffer if Jerry's unfiltered thoughts about his peers and the industry became public.


Do you know something we don't? big grin I don't think this book is aimed to criticise the industry of fellow collegues than it is to simply shed light on Goldsmith's views and anecdotes concerning it. But for now we are in the dark.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

How did Andre Previn get away with his book "NO MINOR CHORDS"?




 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

How did Andre Previn get away with his book "NO MINOR CHORDS"?

Previn selects who he gets specific about and who he doesn't. From what I've read of the Goldsmith book it's all out there.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2008 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

Do you know something we don't? big grin

Not at all, I was just inferring from Lukas' comments that Jerry's recollections of people might go beyond a simple "Oh yeah, I had lunch with him once"...

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2008 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Misanthropic Tendencies   (Member)

When the excerpts where published at FreeClyde and JGOnline, as suggested by both sites, I did send Carrie an email with my observations, comments and so on. No reply.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2008 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

Forgive my frustration but why does this have to get published anyway? Can't they just upload the work onto Joel's site so we can read it like was the case with the chapters allready featured? Or does there absolutely have to be a commercial aspect involved here?


I have just recently read the excerpts from Carrie's book on the Joel Goldsmith site and on Jerry Goldsmith Online, and I was fascinated even more by the open, human element of the writing than by the informational aspect of it. You see the real Jerry and Carrie Goldsmith. All Goldsmith fans have read the long or short canned biographies. This book, as indicated by the title, goes much deeper in it's exploration of this complex man, his remarkable career and his relationships with family and associates. Carrie's conversational approach to interviewing her dad and others (Anna North, etc.) is much more intimate, given her relationship, than someone doing it for other purposes, and reads, to her great credit, more like a memoir than a stark biography. I enjoyed learning about her thoughts on things as much as Jerry's, and the book seems to reflect her inner discoveries regarding her relationship with her dad (and vice-versa) as much as it relates information on his life and career, which creates a much more interesting slice of life to ponder. I sincerely hope, as mentioned above, that her touching and fascinating book might show up online, if not in print form. Incredibly interesting reading from all sorts of points of view.

I don't consider myself a nutcase fan, but, like many others, Goldsmith's music has been a meaningful part of my life for over 30 years. Seeing the inner workings of his mind, as only this type of intimate biographical approach could relate, helps me to admire and understand the great humanity of this man, both through trials and triumphs, good and bad- same as we all go through.

SCOTT

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2009 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Who knows what was happening at the time this thread took off, the point is that I regret not responding in real time as opposed to now, almost a year later.

Anyway, it is deeply painful to see how things break down in the course of a project like this. It simply doesn't matter whether we're talking about amateurs or professionals; coulda/woulda/shouldas after the fact are killers. So many sensitivities to become aware of, some delicate, some not so delicate, and you're always wondering how what you said will come across. From one day to the next.

In some very small maybe even insignificant but definite way, I share LK's regret. When a bunch of us civvies descended upon Detroit on that weekend in 2000, we converged in a hotel room and earnestly brainstormed on how we might somehow get through to Mr. G and have him agree to a very special session with us, along the order of a just-you-and-a-small-group-of-serious-film-music-appreciators-sharing-a-few-drinks-in-the-hotel-lounge-and-schmoozing-and-celebrating-that-which-we-hold-so-dear. I clearly recall J. Takis ("Wedge") being assigned the roll of ambassador or something as he had already had a favorable encounter the day before.

Hey, we could dream, ya know? Jerry would have no idea that it was FSM that had 'brought' this rather disparate little group of individuals together and he had to at least give us the pleasure of trying. It would all be as businesslike, non-fanboyish as possible.

It wasn't meant to be, for whatever reasons, but the next best thing we could do was approach him as individuals as often as possible i.e. after each concert and just engage him in conversation and talk shop and hope we could hit it off and hopefully not turn him off in any way. Well, the next best thing worked out wonderfully. The memories 8 years later of my as well as others' encounters are still fresh and delightful. Much has already been chronicled on contemperaneous threads originated at moviemusic.com (FSMessageboard was undergoing a makeover at the time) with some reminiscences later transferred this way.

He was great, a real sport. Things couldn't have gone any better, under the circumstances. But underneath the pleasantries and rapport lurked a nagging conflict, a conflict of the worst kind, the kind when death enters the picture: the unresolved conflict. In some strange and preposterously idealized way, we wanted to do our bit and contribute to patching up the bad blood and settling the conflict between him and FSM. I think, in retrospect, we made our contribution and succeeded with flying colors. But Jerry would never know about our dreaded connection; we never told him. At least not directly.

Call it a pipe dream. A cyberspace fantasy. Whatever. But the satisfaction with what did actually transpire was real.

And yet...this proposed book with the cooperation of FSM would have conceivably closed the book on the past, to a degree. Instead, everything is left hanging. The heartsickness of expectation postponed lingers. Aye, oh so close.

Perhaps a reconciliation between the Goldsmiths and FSM, in time, can still be effected. Carrie sounds like she has put in way too much heart, blood, sweat and tears to allow all her efforts to remain on the shelf. Those efforts cry out for a better epilogue. In time, she will know when the time's right. In the meantime, we can still dream.

Oh those nagging blues of the wishes unfulfilled kind.

 
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