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 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   MattH   (Member)

I certainly won't be ordering until the audio issues have been resolved.
Unfortunately I wouldn't bet much on that happening, they never bothered to fix the issues on The Mummy or the even more egregious ones on Sleepy Hollow either.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Was the 30 second track that's missing actually in the movie? If not, that may be why it's not included here.

As for the end credits issue, it's pretty bizarre and very noticeable. At first I thought someone just added a lot of reverb, but it really is like the music got "doubled" over itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

I certainly won't be ordering until the audio issues have been resolved.
Unfortunately I wouldn't bet much on that happening, they never bothered to fix the issues on The Mummy or the even more egregious ones on Sleepy Hollow either.


The Mummy still bums me out, but what was wrong with Sleepy Hollow that they didn't fix? I remember the gaps issue but they fixed that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   MattH   (Member)

Was the 30 second track that's missing actually in the movie? If not, that may be why it's not included here.

It's not used the movie but that alone is not an excuse not to have it on this release.
The best theory I've seen so far is that what's on the bootleg is just a mockup of this cue that never progressed past that, was rejected before it could be recorded/polished to a more finished state.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   MattH   (Member)

I certainly won't be ordering until the audio issues have been resolved.
Unfortunately I wouldn't bet much on that happening, they never bothered to fix the issues on The Mummy or the even more egregious ones on Sleepy Hollow either.


The Mummy still bums me out, but what was wrong with Sleepy Hollow that they didn't fix? I remember the gaps issue but they fixed that.


Some editing issues, the most egregious being in The Final Confrontation in the main program, where they couldn't be arsed to join an insert in properly, failed to line it up which resulted in awful doubling and a messed up tempo. One of the Main Titles similarly has a tempo hitch where they did a transition between two takes that weren't lined up properly so the tempo is broken and you get doubling for a bit. Similar to the phasing transition in Night Boarders on The Mummy but the lineup is so far off that they don't even phase anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   Evanus   (Member)

The end credits should definitely be fixed, as it's clearly an unintentional mistake. And hopefully they can provide some clarity on the "Pushing and Shoving" cue as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

My copy is within a current pending order.
But this is grim news, if it's badly noticeable.
The End Credits piece is one of the most wanted unreleased cues from the film.
Is this release an in-house job, without involvement of Malone, Nelson or Matessino?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Maybe Intrada can send out 'fixed discs' like they've done before?
They offered replacement Humanoids From The Deep CDs cos of a minor trumpet overlay ommision.

Surely this is more pressing (no pun intended).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   MattH   (Member)

My copy is within a current pending order.
But this is grim news, if it's badly noticeable.
The End Credits piece is one of the most wanted unreleased cues from the film.
Is this release an in-house job, without involvement of Malone, Nelson or Matessino?


Chris Malone mixed it (and it's a good mix, better than the OST or the bootleg), but Doug Fake edited and mastered it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2024 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Evanus   (Member)

Maybe Intrada can send out 'fixed discs' like they've done before?
They offered replacement Humanoids From The Deep CDs cos of a minor trumpet overlay ommision.

Surely this is more pressing (no pun intended).


Yeah, a replacement disc is probably the best option. They'd only have to replace the second disc since the first one is fine. I don't know if they'd be willing to add the missing cue as well, but fixing the end credits is the least they could do.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

The best theory I've seen so far is that what's on the bootleg is just a mockup of this cue that never progressed past that, was rejected before it could be recorded/polished to a more finished state.

The content of boots I think should be considered with care, given the potential for containing demo or unfinished material. I've heard said cue on YouTube and it really feels like some sort of quick demo Howard did for a scene that was decided to not need music. Perhaps Howard himself had input and suggested leaving it off - it didn't make much impression on me.

The credits tracks are definitely more a case for looking at what might've gone awry during the creation of these tracks. I have a rip directly from a DVD and the percussion has none of the strange reverb/delay present here, and unfortunately it does affect the listenability.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2024 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

Ok, listening more closely now and definitely hear it. Really hope Intrada issues a corrected disc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2024 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Okay Roger Feigelson just clarified everything on Facebook:

Feigelson: " I guess the bottom line is if you don't like the sound, you don't like the sound and regardless of the explanation, you still won't like it. If you want to get into the weeds. The Raptors cue and the end title in the film used take 46. However when putting this album together, it was apparent take 44 was going for a different sound and was recorded on the 24-track exactly as you hear it in the three album version end titles. Given its difference, rather than simply repeating take 46 in the end title we opted to use the take 44 alternate to give yet another previously unreleased and different read of the material. Just so you know the complexity of putting these together, there were over 100 performance edits. Regarding the short cue that we didn't include, we had the sessions that Newton Howard had in his library as well as the Disney vaulted sessions, including a separate pick up session for later changes to the score. This piece was no where on any of that or listed on the cue sheet. Frankly it sounds like a synth demo. I have reached out to James to see if he has any recollection. So there you are. The end title was a creative decision, not a mistake. And I get it some don't like the sound and would have made different decisions."

This came up on On Dangerous Ground as well and Mike Ross went through it with a fine-toothed comb and could not find any of this phasing. Similarly Chris Malone went through the end credits and didn't find any "phasing." In any event, we put our trust in Mike and Chris. I hear how it sounds very different, but don't hear phasing. Not possible when the source is a sync-pulsed multi-track element. The whole reel would have been out of sync/phase, not just the one track.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2024 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   MattH   (Member)

Lol that's such bull.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

I dont get it

anyone?

so film uses a take and the CD another one.... because

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)

Is the OST portion of this the exact same master as the original release?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Magnus Opum   (Member)

I dont get it

anyone?

so film uses a take and the CD another one.... because


That seems to be the long and short of it. I don't get it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So it comes down to a creative decision. But we can just swap take 44 with take 46 if you want the End Titles as heard in the film?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   BasilDowl   (Member)

It would seem an odd decision to go to the effort of presenting the complete score as heard in the film, only to then use an alternate take for the end titles because of... repetition? And to then add the actual end titles anyway...?

Not sure that makes a lot of sense but they're the professionals, chaps

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2024 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Not to be insulting or anything, but I'm surprised take 46 wasn't used for the film version of the end credits and then take 44 for one or both of the alternates.

As for the missing 30 second cue, I suspected something like that was the case.

 
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