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 Posted:   Jun 24, 2022 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I didn't care for Lazenby at all. Compared to Connery, he seemed boyish. And he didn't seem much like the Bond of the books. However, the score is just an absolute knockout and deserves every praise that is thrown at it. The film. overall, is wonderful and thanks to Hunt has a unique feel to it. It simply doesn't seem like any other Bond film while at the same time being very much a Bond film. Great flavor and atmosphere.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2022 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Another thing, I like how the beginning of FYEO continues the continuity from OHMSS with Blofeld in a wheelchair and not fine like in DAF. Also it was nice seeing Bond visit Tracey's grave.

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2022 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

The best Bond film ever, I think, and one of my favorites along with the two Dalton Bonds. People fault Lazenby, but considering his lack of experience and arrogance he did pretty damned well. His Bond was very much a believable human being (and yes, younger). Though I can see Dalton shining in the role as he did his two outings, I can't see Moore or Connery fitting as well into the Bond as portrayed in this film.

And the score! One of the best, too, if not *the* best. My personal favorite is LIVING DAYLIGHTS.

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2022 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

The best Bond film ever, I think, and one of my favorites along with the two Dalton Bonds. People fault Lazenby, but considering his lack of experience and arrogance he did pretty damned well. His Bond was very much a believable human being (and yes, younger). Though I can see Dalton shining in the role as he did his two outings, I can't see Moore or Connery fitting as well into the Bond as portrayed in this film.

And the score! One of the best, too, if not *the* best. My personal favorite is LIVING DAYLIGHTS.


We see no arrogance on film. THAT is key. Lazenby has the stature, the looks, the ability to wear clothes, excellent timing and a very good voice.

Connery was DONE with Bond. He didn't want to do it any more, and the producers were looking for a similar type. Lazenby was the type.

I have never had any interest in Moore, Dalton or Brosnan. Only with Craig has Bond been restored to a believable character.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

Best Bomd score and - for me - best film score ever!
I also have always found that Lazenby was the best possible Bond after Connery. A pity he only did one film.

I like Moore, too, but his films were comedies. Craig was a more human Bond, but I never liked his films (with the exception of Casino Royale).

Now, that James Bond is dead, there shouldn´t be any more Bond films. Or how often can Bond die and come back in person of a new actor? Has he seven or nine lives like cats? big grin Will he die in several of the new films?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Would love to see a series reboot with James Bond in 1954, tooling around London in his Bentley, the only nearby gadget: "If you pull out this knob from your dashboard, 007, you can light your cigarettes. Turkish blend, right?"

Seriously, the cold war tension in the pre-Beatles world would make a great setting for a new Bond series.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...Now, that James Bond is dead, there shouldn´t be any more Bond films. Or how often can Bond die and come back ...

I'm not so sure ... smile As I posted on 12 Jan - thread: https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=122&threadID=130493&archive=0

... Looking at this current/last film, how many have considered the literary sources in play? The poison garden, set on an island off Japan, is clearly based on IF's novel You Only Live Twice and so it appears obvious - to me - that the filmmakers took this further and based the end of the film on the novel's ending.

It's difficult to be more detailed without spoilers - and, even if I'm correct, will Bond26 open with a re-visit to the end of No Time to Die à la the Saturday morning action-hero serials - but I see the link, tenuous maybe, still there with IF's writings.

And that is one thing which does distinguish the JB007 franchise from other franchises ... the desire to keep the cinematic James Bond based on the literary James Bond. ...

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 8:59 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

We see no arrogance on film. THAT is key. Lazenby has the stature, the looks, the ability to wear clothes, excellent timing and a very good voice.

Connery was DONE with Bond. He didn't want to do it any more, and the producers were looking for a similar type. Lazenby was the type.

I have never had any interest in Moore, Dalton or Brosnan. Only with Craig has Bond been restored to a believable character.


I meant Lazenby's personal arrogance. As Diana Rigg mentioned - while complimentary about his talent and performance - he was his own worst enemy. But maybe not - to this day he claims he's glad he only did the one.

Connery was DONE with Bond 2-3 films before he finally quit. I like his first three or four films, but after that, if he obviously didn't care and was just collecting a paycheck, why should we?

As a huge fan of the Bond series (which as far as I'm concerned, creatively speaking, ended with Dalton's last film), the character was seldom *believable* - he's a superhero. Connery largely played him as somewhat primal and above the situation, Moore charming and glib like Cary Grant (conventional wisdom trashes him now, but he was ideal for his era and his films hugely popular). Lazenby was younger, very human and vulnerable. My favorite moment is when the baddies are closing in on him and he is pretty much out of hope = only for Rigg's Tracy to rescue him. Imagine Connery playing that scene - we wouldn't buy it, wouldn't by him not being in command of the situation!

Dalton. too, was ahead of his time (he could have played OHMSS if he had been just a few years older) - people weren't ready for an edgier Bond, one closer to the Fleming novels, after more than a dozen years of Roger Moore. It's why his films, and his dynamic performances, are being reappraised for the notable achievements that they are. As far as I'm concerned, the two that he did are worth a half dozen of most of the others.

As for Brosnan, he looked the part, I suppose, but he's always been a surface-deep actor and his films were largely dispensable, as Craig's have been. I like Daniel Craig as an actor, and saw and appreciated his performances before he became Bond. Maybe it was just the meh quality of his films, but I've never preferred him in the role.

Of course, one's favorite in the role often depends on the actor, and the films, with which one grew up ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2022 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

OHMSS

This is truly a Grown Up Serious James Bond Film, with an Excellent Score by John Barry, and a truly Beautiful Song, We Have All The Time in the World by John Barry and Hal David. Both Score and Song should of have Garnered Oscar Nomination.

Great Cinematography by Michael Reed, and Very Good Editing by Future Director of the James Bond Films John Glen (For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View to a Kill, The Living Daylights).

OHMSS is truly one of the Best James Bond Films, with a truly tragic ending.

I truly didn’t mind George Lazenby Performance…and since the internet, the stories of what really happened to George Lazenby and Diana Rigg and Production has grown into many different directions. And since Sean Connery, wanted more funds, Tired of the Series, or whatever reasons, OHMSS outdoor of been a totally different film with Sean Connery. Would OHMSS been a good film with Sean Connery? I think Director Peter Hunt did a good job with George Lazenby, and if Connery had played Bond in OHMSS, the Tone and Style would of been totally different. There was certain type of warmth, sensitive, human quality to Lazenby’s Performance, with the Massive Help by Director Peter Hunt.

There are many internet stories about who, what and why? Even George Lazenby has said that Producers Cubby Broccoli and Harry Saltzman offered Him, millions of dollars and a Seven Picture Deal! If Stories were that Lazenby was horrible on the set with other Actors and Crew, Why would Cubby Broccoli offer any type of deal to a Troubled Actor? Even Roger Moore, who knew George Lazenby, said he took truly bad advice from others. Even Lazenby said years later, that he behaved badly and made a big mistake, by not continuing on with the Bond Series.

Whatever the troubles were on OHMSS set, didn’t show up on screen. Still today, OHMSS is a highly rated James Bond Movie by Critics and even Fans. But also, it is John Barry’s Wonderful and Excellent score. Which totally holds up very well, and John Barry’s We Have All Time In The World finds it way into No Time to Die.

And Truly John Barry was 100% Robbed of Two Oscar Nomination for OHMSS..Score and Song. And Louis Armstrong did an Wonderfull, Soulful, Job singing We Have All The Time in World. There is a Picture of John Barry, Hal David and Satchmo Armstrong at the studio recording. I believe there was only a couple of takes that Armstrong performed, whose health was rapidly declining.

But We Have all the Time in the World song didn’t truly catch on until a 1994 Guinness Beer Commercial in the UK, some 25 Years after Louis Armstrong’s Death, and actually climbed the UK music charts for the first time. Bringing in a whole new life into John Barry’s and Hal David’s wonderful song.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

When I pull out my Bond Blu-rays, I start with this one. I think it's the strongest of the 60's Bonds (the previous four are in a tie with Dr. No bringing up the rear.). And then I dive into '70s Bond. 70's Bond is underrated.


I’m the total opposite. I have every Bond film on Blu ray (except the last three because I hate Daniel Craig) and watch them all regularly with the exception of OHMSS which I rarely play.

Sometimes a thread like this makes me want to give the movie (yet another) chance but everytime I do I still have the same reaction to the wooden acting, the dreadful rear-screen projection, the badly-directed action sequences and the repetitive score.

I fully appreciate that I am in a small minority of Bond fans who dislike OSHMSS as much as I do, but I just can’t understand why. It’s significantly different to other entries in the series and I share commonality with people who love those movies. It isn’t even that I’m a Connery die hard as I also love Moore, Dalton and Brosnan.

Color me mystified.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

the repetitive score.
Color me mystified.


Well, tastes are different, that´s a subjective thing. But that the score is repetitive is simply not true.You have the ingenious main theme, you have the melody of WHATTITW, you have "Try", "Journey to Blofeld's Hideaway"(later including a bit of OHMSS), "DYKHCHTAG" and, of course, the James Bond-theme, "Bond Meets The girls", "Dusk at Piz Gloria", "Sir Hillary's Night Out", "Blofeld's Plot" etc.That´s quite a lot for one single film!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

the repetitive score.
Color me mystified.


Well, tastes are different, that´s a subjective thing. But that the score is repetitive is simply not true./endquote]

Sorry, but whatever you think, I do find it repetitive. You can’t say that it isn’t “true” because that, too, is a matter of opinion.

Yes, there are a variety of themes but to my ear they are used again and again, with little variation. It’s a criticism I have of a number of Barry’s Bond scores to be honest although I find OHMSS to be the worst offender.

Interesting, an ex-girlfriend who is neither a movie fan or a fan of movie music actually commented on how she found the music very “samey” when I had OHMSS on - she was reading rather than watching and actually thought I kept playing the same scenes over and over. So it isn’t just me, but as I said earlier I know I’m in a minority.

Just to be clear, I do think the score is good, despite the over-familiarity of the cues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)



Sorry, but whatever you think, I do find it repetitive. You can’t say that it isn’t “true” because that, too, is a matter of opinion.


Well, that there are a lot of different themes in the movie is not an "opinion", that´s a fact. That you STILL find it repetitive, THAT´S a matter of YOUR opinion!

By the way: I think that is one of the most important things about filmmusic, that there is a main theme which is repeated several times in different ways (or even the same way). But THIS is MY "opinion"!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)


Well, that there are a lot of different themes in the movie is not an "opinion", that´s a fact. That you STILL find it repetitive, THAT´S a matter of YOUR opinion!



There are indeed a fair few themes in OHMSS. Perhaps what I should have said you explain MY opinion is that I find those themes constantly repeated with little or no variation to them. And that is why I find the score repetitive. As I’ve said, I like the music per se but just find it a bit wash-rinse-repeat, as I do with a number of Barry Bond scores. That is probably why I prefer Conti’s FYEO and Hamlisch’s SWLM scores to any of Barry’s.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

If repetitive, I wish more scores were. I would love to hear a new score this refreshing, inventive, heart-stabbing, and exciting as this. No Time to Die came close, whenever it directly lifted music from OHMSS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)


Well, that there are a lot of different themes in the movie is not an "opinion", that´s a fact. That you STILL find it repetitive, THAT´S a matter of YOUR opinion!



There are indeed a fair few themes in OHMSS. Perhaps what I should have said you explain MY opinion is that I find those themes constantly repeated with little or no variation to them. And that is why I find the score repetitive. As I’ve said, I like the music per se but just find it a bit wash-rinse-repeat, as I do with a number of Barry Bond scores. That is probably why I prefer Conti’s FYEO and Hamlisch’s SWLM scores to any of Barry’s.


Hi TheAvenger! While I do love Barry's OHMSS, FYEO is my favorite Bond score, with TSWLM my 3rd favorite Bond score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Barry wrote at least four different themes for this score, and they're all far more memorable than the average themes coming out today.

There will never be another melodist like John Barry.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Barry wrote at least four different themes for this score, and they're all far more memorable than the average themes coming out today.

There will never be another melodist like John Barry.

Alex


Hi Alex! I agree, I love the score far more than just about any score out today, they don't make em like they used to!smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   DogsPart2   (Member)

Barry wrote at least four different themes for this score, and they're all far more memorable than the average themes coming out today.

There will never be another melodist like John Barry.

Alex


Actually 5 if you count "Who Will Buy My Yesterdays" . Plus the use of the James Bond Theme makes for a very engaging soundtrack.

For The Living Daylights he worked with several different themes as well resulting in another very satisfying soundtrack.
1. Main Title
2. Where has everybody gone
3. If there was a man
4. James Bond Theme

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   soundtrackman   (Member)

I have something else for you guys to argue about - the Main Title. I know there's been all kinds of comments on why there's no vocal for the Main Title, but whatever the reason, I personally don't think anyone ever told Maurice Binder, the iconic Bond Main Title designer. Here's why -

Play "We Have All The Time In The World" against the existing Main Title starting Louis Armstrong's first words when the image fades from Lazenby's line "Bet this never happened to the other guy." The visuals feature clocks, sand running through an hourglass - in fact, the hourglass shape is the dominant motif throughout the whole piece. The pace of movement of figures seems to me to match up perfectly with the pace of the music. I'm totally guessing here, but I have a feeling Binder went to work assuming the song would open the film. The producers saw the finished sequence with the song and said, "Hey Maurice, baby, bubbula, we love it, it's great. But don't you think it's just a teensy bit slow, you know, maybe a smidge too melancholy to open a Bond picture? We need something with more energy, more zing." And so an instrumental of the action music ended up over the graphics.

Do I know this for sure? Of course not. Call me crazy, but it's my story and I'm sticking to it. Try it yourselves and see what you think. Maybe our resident audio-replacement genius (The Mutant) can post a clip for everyone to see - I have absolutely no clue how to do something like that.

OK, let the opinions fly.

Mark T.

P.S. I personally love the score and think it's one of the best in the Bond series, but that's of course just me.

 
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