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 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I can more understand people's lack of enthusiasm about another film than I can understand people's lack of enthusiasm about another Williams score in this franchise. With Star Wars people seemed to be much more enthusiastic in general... and as big a mess as Rise of Skywalker turned out to be, I'm certainly glad that we got "another" wonderful Williams score in that case!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for proving my point.

Did I? Are you a member of the 1% of people who hates The Incredibles? wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

Thanks for proving my point.

Did I? Are you a member of the 1% of people who hates The Incredibles? wink

Yavar


Yes, I'm a terrible person apparently.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)

I will always welcome another Williams Indy score!

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

An example here and there doesn't dis-prove the "rule" though. For every Dash, there is a a dozen including the MacGyver son. For every Penny there are...

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Hey, it's Paramount's time and money to waste. So, like, whatever… if Grandpa J feels he still has the vim and vigor to cash another big cheque who am I to second-guess him.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

It amazes me what a lack of enthusiasm there is here for another Williams Indiana Jones score. This...is a film music forum, right?

Maybe it's because the Crystal Skull album kinda sucked (not as much as the movie tho', hehe)... the complete score was *really* excellent though so I'm super excited for this. And I have to imagine they noticed the backlash against the fourth movie and will do something different/better there, this time around.

Yavar


I suppose a number of fans are like myself: Didn't care for his last Indy score (though I didn't sample enough to form a final opinion) and haven't heard a score from him since the 1990's that we really care for and/or want to own. Admittedly I've yet to sample all his new scores, but everything I have, has left me cold and not wanting to listen to them again.

So, it's not exciting news to me.

Now if somebody who does a spot-on impression like Gordy Haab was announced for a new Indy film, or Conrad Pope, I might get excited!

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Happy to have John Williams back! I wasn't expecting it, frankly.

I'm sure that Mangold isn't going to come up with another Crystal Skull-type entry.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Hadrian   (Member)

Fantastic news!!! Thanks for the update Jason smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

It's Disney now. It will be about the daughter he never knew he had and she putting him in his place.
My dads a coward, he's afraid of snakes!


This is scarily plausible.

When Spielberg himself pulled out was the right time to close down ths project for mercy's sake.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for proving my point.

Did I? Are you a member of the 1% of people who hates The Incredibles? wink

Yavar


Yes, I'm a terrible person apparently.


Not what I’m saying at all! You’re probably a lovely person. But I am saying that I only “proved your point” to the 1% of people out there who are with you in hating The Incredibles (I’ve never even met one of you in real life to my knowledge and had little idea you existed! wink ) and to the vast majority of onlookers, I disproved your point with that example...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

An example here and there doesn't dis-prove the "rule" though. For every Dash, there is a a dozen including the MacGyver son. For every Penny there are...

He didn’t say, “as a rule...” (which could have exceptions as you say) — he said “it never works”... and all one has to do to 100% disprove that statement is find one time when it did.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Boff100   (Member)

I have a very bad feeling about this ......

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   igger6   (Member)

The Incredibles is a fantastic movie (Pixar's second-best, I say), but it's not an example of giving kids to iconic heroes. Bob Parr wasn't iconic until after the movie turned out to be amazing, and the kids are baked in as part of his character. His hook is "what if an undercover superhero had a superpowered family in suburbia?" Without the kids, he's just an archetype. And the kids are the weirdest and least essential part of WandaVision in my book. (What are they? Do they matter? If they're mental projections, did Wanda's body really become physiologically pregnant with them? Was she actually just inflated and hollow? How did the stress of a one-day-long full-term pregnancy not destroy her? How are they still alive enough to cry out to Wanda in the hut after being destroyed by the end of the Hex?)

So I think the spirit of the original comment stands. Giving iconic heroes kids when the heroes are already iconic for other reasons hasn't worked out terribly well in recent decades on film.

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

He doesn't have to say it's a rule. It's almost always when a person says something like "Never" they mean the general "never" and therefore citing one or two examples means nothing ultimately.

It's like when I say "Nobody and their grandma wanted another Saw sequel", I didn't say literally no one and that person's grandmother. Come on.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I must be in the small-percent of the 1% as I really don't like any of the Pixar films.

I also hate the Beatles.

And vegetables.

I wish I could be more excited about this, but Indy 4 really turned me off and I don't think the people involved are capable of producing anything approaching the brilliance of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom or Last Crusade, so why bother?


Thanks for proving my point.

Did I? Are you a member of the 1% of people who hates The Incredibles? wink

Yavar


Yes, I'm a terrible person apparently.


Not what I’m saying at all! You’re probably a lovely person. But I am saying that I only “proved your point” to the 1% of people out there who are with you in hating The Incredibles (I’ve never even met one of you in real life to my knowledge and had little idea you existed! wink ) and to the vast majority of onlookers, I disproved your point with that example...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I must be in the small-percent of the 1% as I really don't like any of the Pixar films.

If you don't like ANY Pixar films (but have yet for some reason actually seen them all, in order to judge?) I'd say you're more in the 0.2%, hehe.

I also hate the Beatles.

Might be 1% here.

And vegetables.

Congrats, you're now in the majority. wink

I wish I could be more excited about this, but Indy 4 really turned me off and I don't think the people involved are capable of producing anything approaching the brilliance of Raiders of the Lost Ark, Temple of Doom or Last Crusade, so why bother?

This thread really isn't about "the people involved" -- it's about ONE person involved: John Williams. This thread is about John Williams's Indiana Jones 5. If his *score* to Crystal Skull turned you off to the point that you have no interest in hearing another visit to that universe from him, fair enough (though I'd suggest you experience it in complete form before passing ultimate judgement). But if you're just saying the movie turned you off...again, as with vegetables: congrats, you're in the majority. That's not what this thread is (or should be) about.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The Incredibles is a fantastic movie (Pixar's second-best, I say), but it's not an example of giving kids to iconic heroes.

Ok I thought of another one:



Just because it often hasn't worked, there's no *inherent* reason it can't work, or won't work in the future.
(Before Jackson's Lord of the Rings films were there any great high fantasy films on that level?)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I remember one summer when everybody was stoked about the new SUPERMAN II film that was raking in the dough when I was more excited about this RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK that initially was raking in a more modest amount. Wonder if there will be a more original release when this comes in and breaks some initial box office records?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Stalker Vigil   (Member)

More than happy, that Williams is involved. At least there will be one aspect of the film, that I'll definitely enjoy.

 
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