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 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

eBay and the Trading Post can look for more traffic if this doesn't get smoothed out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

eBay and the Trading Post can look for more traffic if this doesn't get smoothed out.

Ebay could be an option for the likes of Intrada, LLL providing they dont mind ebay taking their percentage as apparently,so I've read, ebay will collect and pay the taxes on behalf of the seller.

It would be a way around it and would be a kick to those on ebay selling the labels new releases at vastly inflated prices.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Strangely when I try to add something to the cart at Amazon UK and then go through the system to place the order some tax, which is part of the advertised price on Amazon UK is deleted off the price of the item and import fees are added automaticaly.

Wondering how is it exactly different - ordering something from outside EU (UK) and having the local sale tax removed and ordering something from Amazon US, which still keeps all the US sale taxes.


eg
Casino Royale (Gatefold sleeve) [180 gm 2LP Coloured Vinyl] by David Arnold
Vinyl
sale price listed on Amazon: £30.01
sale price of the item during checkout: £25.01


Order Summary
Items: GBP 25.01
Postage & Packing: GBP 5.87
Import Fees Deposit: GBP 6.48
Order Total: GBP 37.36



In the end it's not that bad. If more items is ordered at the same time to split the shipping costs.

Why Amazon US doesn't offer that and Amazon UK does?



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Either way I will be probably sticking to Amazons for regular items and get limited editions from US labels through Music box... unless Intrada, LLL, Howling Wolf, BSX and others would be able to sell their stuff directly through Amazon US, which would at least automatically collect the fees rather then support local shit. (FYI, I just had a Mondo package hold up and with all the fees added and required to actually receive it the price increases to 168 % of the price of its content - only about 40% were the actual fees - NO FUCKING WAY I AM PAYING THAT!

At least in the UK you have a Varese's representative now... at least one thing not to worry about. Wish we were as lucky here in the EU. But I'll guess more money left for Music Box and Quartet... although it will suck big time to loose all those cool promotions and autographs from LLL and BSX.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Not only is this bad for the consumer I imagine these pricey regulations along with astronomical shipping fees are putting a hurt on our beloved soundtrack labels.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Frankly, I have no idea what's going on.

I have an order coming from Germany and one from La-La Land, I'm just hoping for the best.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Obviously there's lot of confusion at present. Some companies in the EU are not supplying goods to the UK and my local post office is refusing to accept items for delivery outside the UK! Brexit has made us fortress Britain (which is what some Brexiteers seemed to want).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Frankly, I have no idea what's going on.

I have an order coming from Germany and one from La-La Land, I'm just hoping for the best.


Nothings changed with lala land orders. Its the Europe/UK situation that's up in the air, isn't it. Orders from countries other than europe.have always been liable, depending on value.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Why Amazon US doesn't offer that and Amazon UK does?
The prices on Amazon US are always net prices, as the taxes are different in the different states. The prices on Amazon UK include UK VAT.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Frankly, I have no idea what's going on.

I have an order coming from Germany and one from La-La Land, I'm just hoping for the best.


Nothings changed with lala land orders. Its the Europe/UK situation that's up in the air, isn't it. Orders from countries other than europe.have always been liable, depending on value.


The new situation affects all orders from "overseas".

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I suppose it's not impossible for the various labels outside of the U.K./E.U. to band together, perhaps with a retailer, so that there's a single point of export for them, meaning they don't all have to keep separate U.K. tax records.

I still wonder how this is all going to play out in the court of public opinion, if the result of an attempted sale into the U.K./E.U. is for the goods to be confiscated. It's arguably no fault (by international legal agreements) on the part of the seller that a country/community has unilaterally decided to try and force sellers outside its juridiction to adhere to a law all its own.

For now, I think I'll be sticking with SAE as my goto U.S. retailer. If the U.K. law works on the basis of GBP 135 being the cutoff for implementing the law, then that kind of works, as I only tend to order in batches of five or more albums in order to ameliorate the postage and customs charges. I just wish SAE had some kind of 'hold' system where an album could be paid for online, and held by them until enough albums had accumulated for the postage / customs costs to make sense. That way I wouldn't potentially miss out on a release when there aren't enough other items to buy at the same time as such a release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

With shipping fees it has been an expensive game of late anyway, with tax and handling fees etc it's just gone silly. With a lot of EU sellers refusing to allow orders under £135, it's rather making the decision for me

Here's hoping it sorts itself out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

If the U.K. law works on the basis of GBP 135 being the cutoff for implementing the law, then that kind of works

Above GBP 135 you will likely be hit by a custom charge of GBP 10 for processing + GBP 5 for duty + GBP 27 for VAT, and that's assuming the non-UK store does not forget to remove their local taxes.

That's why I certainly want to keep my orders below GBP 135 and I won't be using Music Box if they keep their new rule.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Keep in mind that you don't have to pay the French VAT if you are ordering from the UK. You get more CDs for 135GBP than a customer from the EU.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

While it can be something of an annoyance, we should remember that the VAT component is something we would have to pay if we were purchasing CDs within the U.K. either by foot from a retail shop or online, so we can't really complain about it being added, whether it be at source or at the border.

The Royal Mail handling charge, the customs fee and/or import tax, and the shipping/handling fees are each other matters, and not what this thread is about, really.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2021 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It's worth noting that Music Box also sells releases from other labels including Quartet, Intrada and LLL. So mixing multiple labels' releases into one order at Music Box should effortlessly push the value over £135.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

"Major...right now you got me about as confused as i ever hope to be..."

I see my attempts to turn this into an official Where Eagles Dare thread failed miserbly. wink

And the dodgy MnS post below has been reported!! Lol

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

I guess one answer is have a friend in the country of release, have the item sent to them & then have them re-send it with a lesser value and "Gift".

I recently sent a pack of 4 CDs to Birmingham UK & they got there no fees & no issue, I listed as 15 UK pounds & as a gift, just in case it was opened I even put a note in saying "happy birthday". It does make insurance void though as in Canada the value on the label is all a packet can be insured for.

Kind of bad having to pay twice the postage, local delivery then international, but is it cheaper than Customs?

Kind of sad for European collector, but I think it will come to other countries all trying to pay off Virus debt no doubt!

Andy b


I don’t know how Gifts work now, and the 15 pound limit won’t work anymore as the EU have abolished the Low Value exemption.

Not sure where Intrada, La-La land, movie music are on this. There is nothing on their websites and checkouts aren’t showing the VATso for me at the moment purchases are on hold until things clear up.


I had an email from Peter Kelly of MovieMusic as I'm a regular customer. He's between a rock and a hard place and like rest of us is waiting to see how things pan out. In a similar way to Music Box he is expected to register for UK VAT and if the order comes to less than GBP135 he is expected to charge 20% VAT and to send these amounts collectively to the UK authorities every 3 months. He is considering only taking orders that total GBP135 so that the customer is responsible for collecting the tax.

I'm assuming that there will be a huge amount of custom lost if UK customers stop buying. Maybe the labels will do the same as Varese did with it's UK outlet, but that likely won't help Music Box or MovieMusic.

Happy Days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

All this talk of orders over £135 (plus all the extra ££s I'd have to pay in VAT ect) is pie in the sky for me. I'm never ever going to do an order like that, esp. when all I want is a CD or Blu-ray. The biggest order I've ever done is to LLL for their Lethal Weapon box set, & I think that was around £80. There's nothing I want right now from these retailers, so let's see what happens.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)

Thanks.

I also use moviemusic regularly so was wondering if they would do the same or just stop selling to the UK.

Not aware of how much work is involved for registering or processing the relevant paperwork but can understand how it will add additional costs/workload.
I'm not sure how much they sell to the UK as to whether it would be worth it, or to Europe when they bring the same rules in (think their limit will be 150 euro)

I did notice that musicbox say they will accept an order which you pay for and then can add to it until you get over the limit. That may be a way to go for me - It may take longer to get the titles but at least you can build orders and not potentially miss out on a title.
However I guess if too many people do that it could get quite confusing and difficult to manage.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2021 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

Thanks.

I also use moviemusic regularly so was wondering if they would do the same or just stop selling to the UK.

Not aware of how much work is involved for registering or processing the relevant paperwork but can understand how it will add additional costs/workload.
I'm not sure how much they sell to the UK as to whether it would be worth it, or to Europe when they bring the same rules in (think their limit will be 150 euro)


Not selling to the UK was Peter Kelly's "other" option, but maybe he would lose too much income ?. I don't know, I guess that might be considered sensitive commercial information. What the sector needs is leadership and I think that with deafening silence from the top downward that currently seems unlikely, or maybe they are as confounded as each other and the smaller companies. The solution that Varese International have embarked on seems to work well for their top 50 or so titles but they would need to extend it to their full catalogue. Their titles are more expensive than the US price converted to GBP but are still reasonable. Surely this could work for others. Maybe a zoom call between all of the big and smaller names could establish at least the principle of a way forward that could help all of them. Time is in short supply I suspect.

 
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