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Two composers were mentioned in this year's "In Memorium" segment: Johann Johannsson and Luis Bacalov.
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That was nice. Pity that John Morris, Daniel Licht and Dominic Frontiere were neglected.
They recognized two foreign composers and ignored the three Americans.
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Nominated for 13..only won Four...Remember when films were nominated big...and won big...not nowadays...
We live in an age where everyone is a "winner", less we hurt their little feelings. Thus, they spread the wealth around.
Never seen the film or heard the score. Probably not my cup of tea.
Yeah u have to use ur noggin for this film, ur best best is car explosions..and trailers being hit by twisters..
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The SHAPE OF WATER score was a huge bore, basically. I will never ever be able to understand Desplat's appeal. But it's rather inoffensive. Not outright bad, and not outright good. It certainly didn't detract from the great film.
But I can list about 200 scores that were all more interesting last year.
There goes my Thor barometer again. I would reevaluate anything based on a comment by you. Indeed played SHAPE OF WATER again and found it went up in my already wonderful estimation of the score. It will be remembered a lot longer than many a new score will. My estimation of practically all your favorite composers (Goldenthal, Elfman, Zimmer) have gone down over the years. And yet you once said our tastes are not that different because you’ve been to my house. Obviously you didn’t look around too much because, besides Morricone, the biggest shrine in this place is to Jerry Goldsmith. Jerry , despite you saying he is one of your favorites, has been on the receiving end of more of your back handed compliments (since around 2000 when I came unto this board)) than anyone else. And even though you have these deep seated feelings, you pretend to be neutral, and yet MUST show up and declare them. You can’t help but present them in with this weird undertow going on. Here you say Desplat is always “inoffensive” and yet there were 200 better scores last year. The totality of your comments about Desplat has come across overall as close to a definition of hate for a composer as I can think of, and the few times you have simply said that was refreshing.
And that is the crux of it. You have become legendary for your passive/aggressive posts, and not in a good way. It was way back when Lukas did his first get together and repeated Richard Kraft’s “I’m not buying this watermelon” Thor anecdote that I found out I was not alone. WAY not alone. So when you say this is nothing personal –maybe, maybe you are a totally different person than your posts. I certainly can't tell from one visit. But I have had a few people in my sphere who have these passive/aggressive tendencies and they seem to surface a lot in person too, so, happily, we are distant acquaintances who wave at each other from time to time. Again, as I have said before, there is an element of identification I have with your feelings. When I see a post by you, like you seeing Desplat’s name on a film, my heart sinks and I ready myself for the worst and usually get it.
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Two composers were mentioned in this year's "In Memorium" segment: Johann Johannsson and Luis Bacalov.
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That was nice. Pity that John Morris, Daniel Licht and Dominic Frontiere were neglected.
They recognized two foreign composers and ignored the three Americans.
Yeah, this really bugged me too.
I'm just glad Zimmer didn't win for Dunkirk. I (and my wife!) found the music a huge distraction and detriment while trying to enjoy the well-made movie. Didn't work for me, at all.
Even though like many I preferred his work in Wonderstruck this year, in musical terms, I do wish Burwell had won for Three Billboards. He's long overdue for an award after writing some of the most interesting music in Hollywood for years. A composer who really still has his own voice and almost never sounds like anyone else. I love the film Three Billboards and the score was just perfect within it.
Yavar
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I'm just glad Zimmer didn't win for Dunkirk. I (and my wife!) found the music a huge distraction and detriment while trying to enjoy the well-made movie. Didn't work for me, at all.
Well, have you ever liked a Zimmer-score?
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The SHAPE OF WATER score was a huge bore, basically. I will never ever be able to understand Desplat's appeal. But it's rather inoffensive. Not outright bad, and not outright good. It certainly didn't detract from the great film.
But I can list about 200 scores that were all more interesting last year.
thanks and i totally agree with you, shape of water as a score is nothing spezial.
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Nominated for 13..only won Four...Remember when films were nominated big...and won big...not nowadays...
We live in an age where everyone is a "winner", less we hurt their little feelings. Thus, they spread the wealth around.
Never seen the film or heard the score. Probably not my cup of tea.
Yeah u have to use ur noggin for this film, ur best best is car explosions..and trailers being hit by twisters..
I'm all for a thinking mans film. But I immensely dislike what most ppl think are "adult" films nowadays.
I find most pretentious and gross.
The Solium Disparagement
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Mar 5, 2018 - 3:00 PM
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Thor
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There goes my Thor barometer again. I would reevaluate anything based on a comment by you. Indeed played SHAPE OF WATER again and found it went up in my already wonderful estimation of the score. It will be remembered a lot longer than many a new score will. My estimation of practically all your favorite composers (Goldenthal, Elfman, Zimmer) have gone down over the years. And yet you once said our tastes are not that different because you’ve been to my house. Obviously you didn’t look around too much because, besides Morricone, the biggest shrine in this place is to Jerry Goldsmith. Jerry , despite you saying he is one of your favorites, has been on the receiving end of more of your back handed compliments (since around 2000 when I came unto this board)) than anyone else. And even though you have these deep seated feelings, you pretend to be neutral, and yet MUST show up and declare them. You can’t help but present them in with this weird undertow going on. Here you say Desplat is always “inoffensive” and yet there were 200 better scores last year. The totality of your comments about Desplat has come across overall as close to a definition of hate for a composer as I can think of, and the few times you have simply said that was refreshing.
And that is the crux of it. You have become legendary for your passive/aggressive posts, and not in a good way. It was way back when Lukas did his first get together and repeated Richard Kraft’s “I’m not buying this watermelon” Thor anecdote that I found out I was not alone. WAY not alone. So when you say this is nothing personal –maybe, maybe you are a totally different person than your posts. I certainly can't tell from one visit. But I have had a few people in my sphere who have these passive/aggressive tendencies and they seem to surface a lot in person too, so, happily, we are distant acquaintances who wave at each other from time to time. Again, as I have said before, there is an element of identification I have with your feelings. When I see a post by you, like you seeing Desplat’s name on a film, my heart sinks and I ready myself for the worst and usually get it.
Yikes, that's a tirade right there.
Sorry, Morricone, I will never appreciate Desplat on the level you do. I've liked some of his stuff over the years -- some of the early Audiards, THE GHOST WRITER, THE GIRL WITH THE PEARL EARRING, THE PAINTED VEIL, BIRTH. Maybe a few more. I certainly like him more than Giacchino. But overall, I find him boring. Including THE SHAPE OF WATER. If that offends your sensibilites, I'm sorry. But that's the way it is.
As for Goldsmith, my issue there is more the Deification of him (especially at this place), where even the slightest critical remark is taken with offense. It's perfectly possible to have him as a favourite composer, but also be critical of certain aspects (whether it is criticism of his electronic noodlings or the fact that the film version of ALIEN is better than Goldsmith's original vision etc.).
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Well, have you ever liked a Zimmer-score?
LOVE Prince of Egypt, The Lion King, Rango, Spanglish, the third Pirates score (first two are so-so guilty pleasures with some highlights) and, perhaps surprisingly since I usually dislike his Nolan collaborations, Interstellar (only heard the latter in theater though). Like a number of other ones as diverse as Frost/Nixon, A League of Their Own, Kung Fu Panda, The Last Samurai (a bit simplistic and I would've preferred Horner, but it still really appealed to me) and The Holiday (a mite trite but charming). Really enjoyed the Sherlock Holmes scores in-film, though I never bought them on disc.
Liked that final trailer cue for Man of Steel even, but was scared off of seeing the film and I heard his score did not live up to the trailer cue.
Yavar
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"It's perfectly possible to have him as a favourite composer, but also be critical of certain aspects (whether it is criticism of his electronic noodlings or MY PREFERENCE that the film version of ALIEN is better than Goldsmith's original vision etc.)"
There ya go Thor. Fixed it for yer.
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Well, have you ever liked a Zimmer-score?
Liked that final trailer cue for Man of Steel even, but was scared off of seeing the film and I heard his score did not live up to the trailer cue.
Yavar
I adore that score, and HIGHLY recommend seeing the movie. I'm in the minority who (even though I LOVE the Williams score) loves the Zimmer nearly as much. "Flight" is a revelation, also listen to the power behind "Terraforming"...MOS is more profoundly dramatic than the Reeve original imo.
Is it Zimmer's best? Well, Rainman and the Lion King are stiff competition.
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MOS is more profoundly dramatic than the Reeve original imo.
Ha!
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