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 Posted:   Mar 2, 2018 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

As far as Star Wars scores go, I think its been diminishing results with each new film. I'm including the trilogy, prequels and sequels. As much as I try, I just can't get into Force Awakens or Last Jedi. They don't leave an impression with me. They're very journeymen like for sure, but I don't find them memorable or have a desire to revisit them. A part of all this is the musical climate in Hollywood too though. I would be more interested in seeing what Debney, JNH, or McNeely could do. (among many other composers)

Fair enough. I don't happen to agree with you – in fact, "The Force Awakens" is my third favorite "Star Wars" score (after the first two) – but there you have it. Personally, I like zero Debney scores and maybe a couple of McNeelys – I dread those names on scores – but again, just an opinion.


I think McNeely's work is richly thematic and actually continues the musical style Williams (or do we credit Spielberg and Lucas?) made popular in the 70's and 80's. But yeah, all subjective. Perhaps you grew with Williams as he grew and I did not.

 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2018 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

As Kirk once said, "Galloping around the galaxy is for the young." I'm not a fanatic. The best of talents, artists, athletes, visionaries, philosophers have their prime. Sometimes it's best to move on.

Don't disagree with you in theory. But in this case, several of Williams' scores of the 2010s are among my very favorites. So I'm not in any hurry to see Williams retire. Not at all.



*Especially* after The Post. That score was excellent.

 
 Posted:   Mar 2, 2018 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.

U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

This is the opening that John Scott has been waiting the last 90+ years for!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

While his more recent SW score may not be quite at the level of Star Wars or Empire, I still find much to admire in TFA or TLJ scores. I somehow can't see any of the newer crop of composers coming up with tracks like as complex or effective as Rey's Theme, The Jedi Steps, Chrome Dome or The Spark.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

That would take either be the death or retirement of Steven Spielberg.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

While his more recent SW score may not be quite at the level of Star Wars or Empire, I still find much to admire in TFA or TLJ scores. I somehow can't see any of the newer crop of composers coming up with tracks like as complex or effective as Rey's Theme, The Jedi Steps, Chrome Dome or The Spark.

Personally I thought Michael Giacchino's Rogue One was better than TFA or TLJ. And I can probably name ten other composers I rather see score a Star Wars film.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

This is the opening that John Scott has been waiting the last 90+ years for!

Source?!?

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.

then today's narrative sucks!?!

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.

U mean those composers who lift and rehash...


There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I see nothing wrong with his integration and incorporation of older thematic material into his newer scores, as they've always seemed appropriate to the scenes they're in, and they're never simple cut and paste jobs. Is it the tracked music in the SW films you're referring to? That was the choice of George Lucas and not Williams.

Interesting that in his sequel scores, when he could have cut and pasted as is the norm, he creates far more interesting and complex works (i.e. Jaws 2, Empire Strikes Back, Indy 2, Lost World...)

He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.

U mean those composers who lift and rehash...


There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

He should retire. Well deserved. Frankly I don't think his music fits in with today's narrative. Time to move on.

then today's narrative sucks!?!


Here I agree.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)



U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.


Point, set, match!

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

https://soundcloud.com/contactflashfilms/humility

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

https://soundcloud.com/contactflashfilms/humility

Bravo

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)



U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.


Point, set, match!



No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)



U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.


Point, set, match!



No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...


Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)



U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.


Point, set, match!



No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...


Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.


my condolences to you. You are missing out on some wonderful, great, beautiful music. Well to each his own.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)



U mean those composers who lift and rehash...

There's a lot of irony in your post, considering Williams has lifted and rehashed himself in the past.


Point, set, match!



No, townerbarry didn't put it correctly. You can lift and rehash yourself - the biggest names in classical music have done that. But it's a different thing if you have "Star Wars" or "JFK" or "Born on the 4th of July" or "A.I." in your arsenal and you lift from those scores and another to lift from, let's say the RC/MV sea of mediocrity...


Well that's news to me. No one ever gives Horner a pass for self lifting. As far as Williams, he's lifted from The Rite of Spring, The Planets, ST: The Doomsday Machine (arguably his most iconic theme), Agnes of God, to name a few.



Yes, you named a few and we could all mention more names and works especially from the classical field (Vaughan Williams's symphonies, Prokofiev's "Love for Three Oranges" and so on) as far as JW is concerned. He has lifted from the classics and rehashed himself and he is still one of the best composers in the business in the last 50 years. Originality is not always the key word. Few things are original in music anymore - it's like that for a long time now and I've come to accept it.

Personally I gave Horner a pass many times. Even with all the rehashed material he knew how to pull my heartstrings and he had a great sense of drama. It was his comical obsession with that motif from Rach's First Symphony that annoyed me the most.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2018 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

It's time Maestro Williams devote his time to more personal compositions far, far away from Star Wars and Steven Spielberg ; the latest already making a handover with Thomas Newman, then Alan Silvestri with Bridge of Spies and Ready Player one.

 
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