Congratulations on doing this, Yavar. I won’t pretend it’s my cup of tea (and in any case I think I’ve listened to maybe two podcasts ever) but doing it must be a lot of fun. Might even be cathartic in helping to cope with the new job.
Thanks for the support, Tall Guy. Is it just the talk format that doesn't appeal to you? If there's constructive feedback you can offer I'm all ears...
Very challenging. Please more music and less talk.
I actually would like this very much -- my inclination would be a 70/30 split music vs. score -- but it seems I am in the minority. Jens and Clark both want to make this accessible to general film fans as well, and they worry a greater score emphasis would limit our crossover ability. I will keep pushing though (gotta treat the base right, IMO!), and eventually I may decide to do my own side series of more in-depth musical analyses for select scores. What did you mean by "challenging"?
This was excellent guys! Great job. Look forward to future shows!
I had a super fun time listening, this stuff I LOVE! Should be one on Alfred, though.
Thanks to you both so much for the support and kind words. WA, I can't speak for Jens or Clark but I would LOVE to do one on Alfred one day (and Basil, and Elmer, and Miklos, and Bernard, and...). But Goldsmith will definitely keep us busy for several years since he was so prolific. To my knowledge, this is the first time a comprehensive and chronological film music podcast dedicated to a single composer has ever happened.
Did you guys check out the full original 1489 Words radio show? It's sooo good, especially The Highwayman. Gotta hear the whole thing.
Man Yavar you got a whole library at this place alone to indulge in!
What place?
Henry, regarding Elmer: he is one of my favorite film composers, not far behind Jerry for me actually. In terms of how versatile and prolific he was, I think he may be the only American composer who gives Jerry a run for his money. I think you may have misinterpreted my comments about Elmer in the podcast...the first thing I talked about was his getting typecast and the second thing (which probably bugged you more?) was my comment about his westerns being far less varied musically than Jerry's. Here I think he was the victim of his own success on The Magnificent Seven. Drango is my favorite Elmer western score, dark and powerful, but then he wrote that one before Mag7! For whatever reason, Jerry managed to have a diverse group of genres in almost every year of his output, and didn't have long strings of being typecast in certain genres like Elmer, Bernard Herrmann, or Miklos Rozsa arguably did. That's all I was saying; it was unconnected to the earlier comments about quality.
I noticed Erik "complaining" about the sound quality on FB, but listening without headphones and just through the phone speakers was better than I thought it would be. I will listen properly and detail all of my grievances in the next few days.
Funny... my "complaining" lead them to find a new hosting service because they had no idea that the files were being encoded at such a low resolution.
Congratulations on doing this, Yavar. I won’t pretend it’s my cup of tea (and in any case I think I’ve listened to maybe two podcasts ever) but doing it must be a lot of fun. Might even be cathartic in helping to cope with the new job.
Thanks for the support, Tall Guy. Is it just the talk format that doesn't appeal to you? If there's constructive feedback you can offer I'm all ears...
The podcasts I’ve listened to were one on Shostakovich (building a library: the 11th symphony) and Weinberg (BBC Radio 3’s composer of the week, which could have been subtitled “Who?”). I made particular time for those and enjoyed them, but in general I don’t get enough time even to hear the stuff that really appeals to me. Maybe after retirement I’ll have more opportunity but that’s years away yet...
You’ll be aware that I don’t share all your enthusiasms! Not many ARE as enthusiastic as you on your favourite topic. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t wish you well with the podcasts. For another fsmer to be transmitting is an important thing, no matter the subject. I know a few do it already, but the more the merrier. I’m not in a position to offer advice other than to mix things up so that it moves along at a pace. Best of luck with it!
I rarely post now days. More a lurker/reader I guess. But I absolutely love Goldsmith. Always have. I have to say congratulations guys on doing this wonderful podcast and doing it so well. It's insightful and very well presented by all of you. I can't wait for the next show. I'm definitely following this till it's done. Hopefully many years from now! Thanks again!
I'm almost done with Episode 0 - I had to stop and listen to Alien after hearing some of that Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde stuff. I need to learn who is who voice-wise. Jens' accent isn't as strong as I thought it would be and I'm always getting confused as to who is talking. I suppose it doesn't matter. Maybe you could sing a theme song, set to U.S. Marshals, with lyrics that contain the name of the person who is singing each part. Haha
I'm almost done with Episode 0 - I had to stop and listen to Alien after hearing some of that Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde stuff. I need to learn who is who voice-wise. Jens' accent isn't as strong as I thought it would be and I'm always getting confused as to who is talking. I suppose it doesn't matter. Maybe you could sing a theme song, set to U.S. Marshals, with lyrics that contain the name of the person who is singing each part. Haha
Stop complaining!
This 'problem' can EASILY be fixed by slightly panning one person to the left, one person to the centre and one person SLIGHTLY to the right.
Great! Our second episode (aka "Episode 1" -- the first regular one) on Jerry's very first feature score, Black Patch (1957), will be up in less than a week. I have already heard an edited draft of it and I'm so excited to share it with all of you; this score really is a underappreciated gem and the film is really quite good too, despite a flaw or two.
I rarely post now days. More a lurker/reader I guess. But I absolutely love Goldsmith. Always have. I have to say congratulations guys on doing this wonderful podcast and doing it so well. It's insightful and very well presented by all of you. I can't wait for the next show. I'm definitely following this till it's done. Hopefully many years from now! Thanks again!
Thanks for making a rare posting exception to write this lovely and encouraging note, Atham! All three of us were very touched. Goldsmith wrote so much music it will definitely be a few years before we get through all of it!
Not many ARE as enthusiastic as you on your favourite topic.
But at least for Goldsmith there are more nuts like me than for most other film composers. Jens's Goldsmith obsession, for one, almost makes mine look sane and reasonable, haha! He actually helped make me the Goldsmith nut I am today, over a dozen years ago while I was still a freshman at USC.
But that doesn’t mean that I don’t wish you well with the podcasts. For another fsmer to be transmitting is an important thing, no matter the subject. I know a few do it already, but the more the merrier. I’m not in a position to offer advice other than to mix things up so that it moves along at a pace. Best of luck with it!
Thanks again, Tall Guy. Mixing things up is good advice. We are experimenting with several different formats. For Black Patch we did (a) film discussion, then (b) score discussion, then (c) film and score rating, then (d) spoiler discussion.
I think for City of Fear, our next one to record, we are going to try a slight tweak: (a) brief overall film discussion, then (b) specific film discussion (ie. bringing up particular scenes) *mixed* with score discussion (so music is more distributed through the whole episode), then (c) film and score rating, then (d) spoiler discussion.
The latter plan was my suggestion to try for those folks getting impatient for the music while we blab only about the film for a while; it should cut down on the time spent talking before the first music cue. I guess we'll see if we (when recording) and the audience (while listening) like this any better, but I will say that for Black Patch, you'll only have to wait about 12-15 minutes before we get to score discussion anyway, so it won't be like Episode 0.
I'm almost done with Episode 0 - I had to stop and listen to Alien after hearing some of that Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde stuff. I need to learn who is who voice-wise. Jens' accent isn't as strong as I thought it would be and I'm always getting confused as to who is talking. I suppose it doesn't matter. Maybe you could sing a theme song, set to U.S. Marshals, with lyrics that contain the name of the person who is singing each part. Haha
Jens is the one with the German accent, though it is certainly not too strong. Clark is the one with substantial radio experience, so he has the more polished and professional sounding un-accented voice....and I'm the other one.
Haha I can’t wait until 2023, when they get to Freud!
I realize you jest, but of course we won't be going as slow as all that. There'll be a new episode every other week, usually going live on Thursdays. Sadly we can't find a lot of his 50s and some early 60s TV stuff (we may mention The Lineup and Playhouse 90 since the scores were released on CD by Prometheus, but we can't find the episodes to view so they don't get an official episode), so here's how long it should actually take for us to get to Freud:
0. Live Radio & TV (1489 Words, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Climax!), and Frontier Gentleman 1. Black Patch (to be released next Thursday the 15th) 2. City of Fear (3/29) 3. Face of a Fugitive (4/12) 4. Perry Mason (two episodes) (4/26) -- we may do a combined "TV crime" episode if we can find Cain's Hundred 5. Studs Lonigan (5/10) 6. early TV western episodes (two Have Gun - Will Travel, one Rawhide, two Wagon Train) (5/24) 7. Thriller (6/7) -- this one is a wild card since he wrote so many; we may decide to split it into two podcasts 8. Twilight Zone (6/21?) -- this I think we're going to try and squeeze into a single episode, but we'll see... 9. Dr. Kildare (7/5?) 10. Lonely Are the Brave (7/19?) 11. The Spiral Road (8/2?) 12. Freud (8/16?)
So even with any unexpected delays that come up, you'll only have to wait a few months.
If anyone is able to somehow hook us up with taped copies of Jerry's three Cain's Hundred episodes, three The Lineup episodes, Black Saddle pilot score (would be great to include with early TV westerns episode since I think this was his first), or any other rare early TV stuff that isn't on disc (or on YouTube), please get in touch with us at mail@goldsmithodyssey.com, and we will seriously consider tackling it!
Yavar
EDIT: Shoot, I just realized he did several Gunsmokes before Lonely Are the Brave too...IMDb threw me off, acting like he scored the show much later. So Freud might have to wait until Episode 13, but it'll definitely still be this year.
Haha I can’t wait until 2023, when they get to Freud!
I realize you jest, but of course we won't be going as slow as all that. There'll be a new episode every other week, usually going live on Thursdays. Sadly we can't find a lot of his 50s and some early 60s TV stuff (we may mention The Lineup and Playhouse 90 since the scores were released on CD by Prometheus, but we can't find the episodes to view so they don't get an official episode), so here's how long it should actually take for us to get to Freud:
0. Live Radio & TV (1489 Words, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Climax!), and Frontier Gentleman 1. Black Patch (to be released next Thursday the 15th) 2. City of Fear (3/29) 3. Face of a Fugitive (4/12) 4. Perry Mason (two episodes) (4/26) -- we may do a combined "TV crime" episode if we can find Cain's Hundred 5. Studs Lonigan (5/10) 6. early TV western episodes (two Have Gun - Will Travel, one Rawhide, two Wagon Train) (5/24) 7. Thriller (6/7) -- this one is a wild card since he wrote so many; we may decide to split it into two podcasts 8. Twilight Zone (6/21?) -- this I think we're going to try and squeeze into a single episode, but we'll see... 9. Dr. Kildare (7/5?) 10. Lonely Are the Brave (7/19?) 11. The Spiral Road (8/2?) 12. Freud (8/16?)
So even with any unexpected delays that come up, you'll only have to wait a few months.
If anyone is able to somehow hook us up with taped copies of Jerry's three Cain's Hundred episodes, three The Lineup episodes, Black Saddle pilot score (would be great to include with early TV westerns episode since I think this was his first), or any other rare early TV stuff that isn't on disc (or on YouTube), please get in touch with us at mail@goldsmithodyssey.com, and we will seriously consider tackling it!
Yavar
EDIT: Shoot, I just realized he did several Gunsmokes before Lonely Are the Brave too...IMDb threw me off, acting like he scored the show much later. So Freud might have to wait until Episode 13, but it'll definitely still be this year.
I am hot for Freud as well; however I REALLY like how so much of this program consists of scores I haven't heard yet. Makes me want to grab the releases a bit before air dates.
Dammit, Yavar, I already put Freud's original airdate in my phone!
Haha. Yeah, you might have to wait an extra month or two because I just talked with Jens and he wants to do two eps for Twilight Zone and probably three for Thriller...so nice that James/Leigh/Nic/Tadlow's Thriller Vol. 2 will be coming out shortly; that's a nice bit of synergy!
I am hot for Freud as well; however I REALLY like how so much of this program consists of scores I haven't heard yet. Makes me want to grab the releases a bit before air dates. I'll have to write Yavar again, lol.
Well sadly some of these can't be purchased because there are no releases (Black Patch, Face of a Fugitive). But what you'll need to keep your eye out for sooner rather than later is City of Fear (OOP Intrada) and Studs Lonigan (either Varese Club or Quartet's straight reissue, both also OOP, sorry). Oh, and if you care about TV stuff get the Prometheus Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Vol. 1, which includes one episode of Perry Mason which we'll be covering. And obviously as a Tadlow fan you will need both volumes of Thriller.
I'm glad I posted that tentative schedule, so that folks like you can plan ahead with your purchases...
Wonderful, Yavar! This is the kind of subject that podcasts can handle so well, I'm excited to follow this. Great to have another intelligent film music podcast to listen to.
I'm already kicking myself over Rio Conchos. But I only had enough moolah for Alien, which isn't exactly a poor alternative
Not at all...though I find myself actually listening to Rio Conchos more. (ducks)
Wonderful, Yavar! This is the kind of subject that podcasts can handle so well, I'm excited to follow this. Great to have another intelligent film music podcast to listen to.
Thanks for the compliment! I can't wait to hear what you (and others) think of our first regular episode. I just listened to the probably-final draft, and aside from wishing I hadn't repeated certain words/phrases a little too often in my sleep-deprived enthusiasm (we recorded this one pretty late), I'm really happy with it. I just love the score to Black Patch and I hope at least a few listeners agree with me. It deserves a lot more exposure.
By the way, after communicating with Jens yesterday, he really wants to tackle some of the TV stuff more in-depth rather than hurrying through it. Therefore our new rough schedule to Freud is as follows, for the curious:
0. Live Radio & TV: 1489 Words, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Climax!), and Frontier Gentleman 1. Black Patch (to be released next Thursday the 15th) 2. City of Fear (3/29) 3. Face of a Fugitive (4/12) 4. Perry Mason (two episodes) (4/26) --The Lineup (3 episodes) or Playhouse 90 could come after if found; otherwise we could just briefly discuss the music included on the Prometheus JG The Early Years Vol. 1 as part of our Perry Mason 'cast, as one of the two Perry Masons was released on that. 5. Studs Lonigan (5/10) 6. Have Gun - Will Travel (two episodes) and Rawhide (one episode) (5/24) 7. Thriller 1 (six episodes corresponding to Tadlow Vol. 1, which we discuss along with originals) 8. Thriller 2 (six episodes corresponding to Tadlow Vol. 2) 9. Thriller 3 (remaining episodes without new recording) 10. Gunsmoke (several episodes) 11. Twilight Zone 1 (first four episodes) 12. Twilight Zone 2 (last four episodes) 13. Dr. Kildare (all five episodes) 14. Cain's Hundred (three episodes and a partial) 15. Wagon Train (two episodes) 16. Lonely Are the Brave 17. The Spiral Road 18. Freud
To those in the know (zooba?) -- am I skipping anything chronologically in the above that we should cover (and would be able to access for discussion)?
Just listened to this on Friday... what a fun, charming podcast!! Aside from the novelty of simply listening to three fellow geeks chat about my favorite film composer, I appreciated the educational aspect of it (i.e. learning about the world of live television, etc.).
I look forward to future installments, though it looks like it'll take months to get to the earliest Goldsmith scores I've listened to (Planet of the Apes, the Flint films, and Patton). Yeah, I'm behind on the early stuff... good thing there's a podcast to help with that!
Just listened to this on Friday... what a fun, charming podcast!! Aside from the novelty of simply listening to three fellow geeks chat about my favorite film composer, I appreciated the educational aspect of it (i.e. learning about the world of live television, etc.).
Thanks so much for the kind words!
I look forward to future installments, though it looks like it'll take months to get to the earliest Goldsmith scores I've listened to (Planet of the Apes, the Flint films, and Patton). Yeah, I'm behind on the early stuff... good thing there's a podcast to help with that!
Yeah, this is actually a good thing because we'll help you discover all the early gems you've been missing out on. I'm especially surprised you don't know Lonely Are the Brave since it's one of the best scores he ever wrote, and also one of the best films he ever scored...but I'm guessing that the Varese CD having long sold out of its 3000 copies and fetching high prices on the secondhand market doesn't help in that regard. Hopefully Intrada or LLL can reissue that score some day.
Just listened to this on Friday... what a fun, charming podcast!! Aside from the novelty of simply listening to three fellow geeks chat about my favorite film composer, I appreciated the educational aspect of it (i.e. learning about the world of live television, etc.).
Thanks so much for the kind words!
I look forward to future installments, though it looks like it'll take months to get to the earliest Goldsmith scores I've listened to (Planet of the Apes, the Flint films, and Patton). Yeah, I'm behind on the early stuff... good thing there's a podcast to help with that!
Yeah, this is actually a good thing because we'll help you discover all the early gems you've been missing out on. I'm especially surprised you don't know Lonely Are the Brave since it's one of the best scores he ever wrote, and also one of the best films he ever scored...but I'm guessing that the Varese CD having long sold out of its 3000 copies and fetching high prices on the secondhand market doesn't help in that regard. Hopefully Intrada or LLL can reissue that score some day.
Yavar
Lonely are the Brave...hmmm
Certainly my being introduced to the staggering amount of great JG music has been a standout part of my own film music journey.
Jens's Goldsmith obsession, for one, almost makes mine look sane and reasonable, haha! He actually helped make me the Goldsmith nut I am today, over a dozen years ago while I was still a freshman at USC.
