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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

What are yeh all standin' around her fur? Haven't yeh ever seen a varying opinion?

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   theMaestraX   (Member)

Buy both WA - Excellent scores in their own right! Do'h it's Jerry Goldsmith after all! A no-brainer you wud say!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Checks date... Nope! Not April Fools Day. Surely OP jests? And why does it seem SchiffyM and I are in agreement more times than not nowadays? Well with the one caveat, I actually enjoy TMP score and film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Way back in 1989, when reviewing Star Trek V for Soundtrack Magazine, I said it was "easily the equal of Star Trek: The Motion Picture".

I should like to recant that statement!

Star Trek V is an excellent score, but Star Trek: The Motion Picture is one of Goldsmith's truly momentous and inventive efforts. Few of his scores are as imaginative in their use of timbre as that first Star Trek score, and its array of eclectic percussion -- Blaster Beam, rob rods, waterphone, etc. (plus Fox's pipe organ).

Star Trek V on the other hand relies entirely on synthesizers (and samples) for its unusual timbres. It's a good use of synths...but not nearly as striking as the instrumentation featured on the original.

That said, Star Trek V is arguably a "warmer" score, where Goldsmith is able to play-off the relationship of Kirk, Spock and McCoy in some very touching passages. Star Trek: The Motion Picture does have a love theme, but is more of a "cosmic epic", which evokes the vastness of space, and a sense of great wonder (and sometimes doom).

Despite sharing the same main (and one secondary) theme, the scores are really nothing alike.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Is Final Frontier better than TMP? Hell no.




Is Undiscovered Country better than both? Yeeeeup.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Checks date... Nope! Not April Fools Day. Surely OP jests? And why does it seem SchiffyM and I are in agreement more times than not nowadays? Well with the one caveat, I actually enjoy TMP score and film.

The Solium Caveat

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   Tom Maguire   (Member)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

TFF
STII
STIII
ST FIRST CONTACT

all betters

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 10:59 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

I like both of them and I think that Goldsmith provides much needed class to both deeply flawed films.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Anyone know why 'The Motion Picture' was tagged as the movie title to STAR TREK when it happened? I haven't gotten Return to Tomorrow-Making of Star Trek book as yet, but it may have been discussed there.

I find ST:TMP score leagues ahead of STAR TREK V. The latter is tongue n cheek adventure score. TMP goes beyond romanticism, minimalism -its epic sci fi. Jerry's finest and in my top favourite of the genre.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2018 - 11:15 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

1.) STAR TREK The motion picture ( because its the blueprint )
2.) STAR TREK IV The voyage home ( because its filled with great new themes.taking a new approach by not using any of the themes ...and its one of Rosenmans most harmonic and not selfcopied work...as you know once you got a Rosenman you got allwink)
3.) STAR TREK II The wrath of Kahn. ( because Horners mayor debut is a worthy follower and a hint of whats to come from this youngster)
4.) STAR TREK VI The undiscovered country ( because I like Stravinsky)
5.) STAR TREK V ( because its a great comeback )
6.) STAR TREK III ( because I love Prokofiev )

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Anyone know why 'The Motion Picture' was tagged as the movie title to STAR TREK when it happened?

I think it was simply a grandiose (and pompous) way of making the return of the television series into an event. This was a year after "Superman: The Movie" (yes, just called "Superman" in the credits, but "Superman: The Movie" in all posters and advertising). This was not the "Star Trek" you'd seen on television, not merely a movie, but a motion picture!

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Anyone know why 'The Motion Picture' was tagged as the movie title to STAR TREK when it happened?

I think it was simply a grandiose (and pompous) way of making the return of the television series into an event. This was a year after "Superman: The Movie" (yes, just called "Superman" in the credits, but "Superman: The Movie" in all posters and advertising). This was not the "Star Trek" you'd seen on television, not merely a movie, but a motion picture!


I think that makes sense-I was thinking it was in the Superman title tone as well. Interestingly when the rebooted STAR TREK in 2009 they decided to stay with the core name for the the title.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

TFF
STII
STIII
ST FIRST CONTACT

all betters


HE'S LOST HIS MIND!

I think that makes sense-I was thinking it was in the Superman title tone as well. Interestingly when the rebooted STAR TREK in 2009 they decided to stay with the core name for the the title.

In 1979 calling it "The Motion Picture" made it different from Star Trek. In 2009 there were literally dozens of other Star Treks. Calling it simply Star Trek WAS differentiating it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

TFF
STII
STIII
ST FIRST CONTACT

all betters


HE'S LOST HIS MIND!

I think that makes sense-I was thinking it was in the Superman title tone as well. Interestingly when the rebooted STAR TREK in 2009 they decided to stay with the core name for the the title.

In 1979 calling it "The Motion Picture" made it different from Star Trek. In 2009 there were literally dozens of other Star Treks. Calling it simply Star Trek WAS differentiating it.


Seeing that avatars reminds me, I probably need to grab WoK for my next ST purchase after TMP. Final Frontiers can apparently wait for now...the grand consensus (as well as my youtube investigations) seem to bear that out.

Still, I definitely liked what I heard of Final Frontier. Would love to check out the expanded.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Seeing that avatars reminds me, I probably need to grab WoK for my next ST purchase after TMP. Final Frontiers[sic] can apparently wait for now...the grand consensus (as well as my youtube investigations) seem to bear that out.

TFF, although highly glossy and enjoyable, sounds like "Rambo III in Space."

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Seeing that avatars reminds me, I probably need to grab WoK for my next ST purchase after TMP. Final Frontiers[sic] can apparently wait for now...the grand consensus (as well as my youtube investigations) seem to bear that out.


TFF, although highly glossy and enjoyable, sounds like "Rambo III in Space."


I'm laughing so hard my computer is shaking...got to...gain...control....

Hokay, had I never heard a note of FF that would have been an offputting comment (not much a fan of the Rambos/Blood score...love the first movie though).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I love them both. TMP is a timeless masterpiece, and it's a bar setter, that's barely debatable. TFF has much to offer too (Raid on Paradise, hello!). The ethereral "Poltergeist II", "Legend" -sounding material during the last third of the score is also a personal favorite of mine, despite being dated. But who cares, what's not to love. Goldsmith did some cheese back in his day, but who doesn't like cheese. smile

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Seeing that avatars reminds me, I probably need to grab WoK for my next ST purchase after TMP. Final Frontiers[sic] can apparently wait for now...the grand consensus (as well as my youtube investigations) seem to bear that out.


TFF, although highly glossy and enjoyable, sounds like "Rambo III in Space."


I'm laughing so hard my computer is shaking...got to...gain...control....

Hokay, had I never heard a note of FF that would have been an offputting comment (not much a fan of the Rambos/Blood score...love the first movie though).


In 1989 while I was listening to TFF (and building my first CG Enterprise) my kid brother walked in the room and loudly complained "Why are you listening to Rambo?!?" So the notion has merit.

TFF is terrific. It's just nowhere near TMP.

I don't know what to tell you about TWOK and TSFS. I'm also in the camp that TSFS is the better score. But I'm also aware that it is almost entirely dependent on TWOK. So it's not really better on its own. You might say it's a better second half.

I'd probably suggest getting into TWOK for a while then move on the TSFS. Or listen to them one right after the other. Either way.

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2018 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)



TFF is terrific. It's just nowhere near TMP.

I don't know what to tell you about TWOK and TSFS. I'm also in the camp that TSFS is the better score. But I'm also aware that it is almost entirely dependent on TWOK. So it's not really better on its own. You might say it's a better second half.

I'd probably suggest getting into TWOK for a while then move on the TSFS. Or listen to them one right after the other. Either way.


This is very helpful. Next Star Trek score I grab will probably be both TWOK and TSFS. I really like the idea of those two being like pieces in the same puzzle. The first two Omens were a bit like that.

 
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