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We all have Lukas to thank as well as the amazing people at CBS and GNP who made this volume happen. As you all know, originally it was just 6 volumes, but Lukas worked his magic and got both parties to agree to let LLL release one final volume of the GNP controlled music.
LLAP
MV
So there is new music not in the box set.
Not at all, this only means that LLL was able to release the GNP controlled pilot music, Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine after all. So now, everyone who missed the box set and didn't go for the other releases now has all of the same music as those who were able to get the box.
This is an amazing conclusion to a wonderful string of re-releases for fans. I'm happy for all of you who couldn't get the original box. Now you know the joy I've had since 2012. 
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So now, everyone who missed the box set and didn't go for the other releases now has all of the same music as those who were able to get the box.
Er, not quite all the same music. As MV mentioned in the first post in this topic, there are some vocal tracks missing, because they didn't want to mess about with clearances this time. I've done some rough calculations, and found that the 15 CD set seems to have about 10 minutes of extra music which is missing from these seven volumes. So the 15 CD set is still the complete and definitive release of this music.
Except for the music that is on the 50th anniversary / in the 1701 collection or is in the box but has better sources on the 50th / 1701.
Oh the agony!
And the only vocals that appear to be missing are Uhura and Spock.
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I can live without the two vocals. The box set never had the main theme with Shatner's opening monologue so even the box set isn't definitive.
Your collection is definitive when all the cues you personally love are in there. And this seven-volume set is mind-blowing for anyone who doesn't have the 2012 box plus the 50th Anniversary set.
Also: I know you were kidding, but now that you mention it, I will have to go back to the oldest, orange-cover DVDs and make a sound clip of the main title with Shatner's narration, before they messed with it in the 2006 remaster. I want that now. Because "enough" is NEVER enough.
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I've been looking at the tracks on the original 15 CD set more closely, and it appears that a few vocal tracks are not the only things missing from the 1701 collection volumes. Tracks 55 to 76 (about 27 minutes in total) from season 1 disc 5 have been omitted from the seven 1701 collection volumes. These tracks are sound effects, unused sound effects, sound effects rehearsals and outtakes, and theme music outtakes. So, at least half an hour of material from the original 15 CD set is missing from these seven volumes.
True, but minor in the larger scheme of things. I'll now be able to sell the box. It was beautifully designed but very cumbersome and very fragile. With very few exceptions, the boxes are a bane to me, with the exception of The Rozsa and Film Music Collections boxes, and few others, which are built like tanks. Kudos to LaLa for making these 1701 sets available.
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So now, everyone who missed the box set and didn't go for the other releases now has all of the same music as those who were able to get the box.
Er, not quite all the same music. As MV mentioned in the first post in this topic, there are some vocal tracks missing, because they didn't want to mess about with clearances this time. I've done some rough calculations, and found that the 15 CD set seems to have about 10 minutes of extra music which is missing from these seven volumes. So the 15 CD set is still the complete and definitive release of this music.
I've been looking at the tracks on the original 15 CD set more closely, and it appears that a few vocal tracks are not the only things missing from the 1701 collection volumes. Tracks 55 to 76 (about 27 minutes in total) from season 1 disc 5 have been omitted from the seven 1701 collection volumes. These tracks are sound effects, unused sound effects, sound effects rehearsals and outtakes, and theme music outtakes. So, at least half an hour of material from the original 15 CD set is missing from these seven volumes.
And the only vocals that appear to be missing are Uhura and Spock.
I never owned the box set, so it's quite fascinating to learn about these particular differences after preordering the seventh volume to complete this set.
I own GNP's Star Trek Sound Effects CD, so I feel I have that covered. And I have LLLR Star Trek 50th Anniversary Collection which is doubly special to me for also including TAS material. So yes, in the grand scheme of things, apparently only missing just two vocal tracks in favor of having access to the rest now is not an insurmountable loss.
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So now, everyone who missed the box set and didn't go for the other releases now has all of the same music as those who were able to get the box.
Er, not quite all the same music. As MV mentioned in the first post in this topic, there are some vocal tracks missing, because they didn't want to mess about with clearances this time. I've done some rough calculations, and found that the 15 CD set seems to have about 10 minutes of extra music which is missing from these seven volumes. So the 15 CD set is still the complete and definitive release of this music.
I've been looking at the tracks on the original 15 CD set more closely, and it appears that a few vocal tracks are not the only things missing from the 1701 collection volumes. Tracks 55 to 76 (about 27 minutes in total) from season 1 disc 5 have been omitted from the seven 1701 collection volumes. These tracks are sound effects, unused sound effects, sound effects rehearsals and outtakes, and theme music outtakes. So, at least half an hour of material from the original 15 CD set is missing from these seven volumes.
And the only vocals that appear to be missing are Uhura and Spock.
I never owned the box set, so it's quite fascinating to learn about these particular differences after preordering the seventh volume to complete this set.
I own GNP's Star Trek Sound Effects CD, so I feel I have that covered. And I have LLLR Star Trek 50th Anniversary Collection which is doubly special to me for also including TAS material. So yes, in the grand scheme of things, apparently only missing just two vocal tracks in favor of having access to the rest now is not an insurmountable loss.
Me too. I have the 50th and the GNP's, soon all the 1701's. I'm not bothered by the exclusion of the sound effects. I wanted as much of the music as possible. I appreciate all the information and differences between the box set and 1701 series.
Nice to know I have 98% of the music.
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Love this!! A beautiful cd set
Watching those box sets suddenly come down in price, and UP in availability on the bay
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Ownership of the box set certifies you as authentic OG Star Trek fan.
There are many "later generation" Trek fans who are indifferent to the scoring of all the Treks. I assert you didn't really absorb Trek properly if you didn't get into the music at all. It's likely they just take the music for granted.
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As far as I deducted, these are the cues on the box set that are not on the 1701 CDs:
SEASON ONE
First Season Library Music
Source Music And Alternates
5-47 Weird Guitar M21 0:12
5-48 Charlie Is My Darling M21A/M21B Composed By – Traditional Vocals – Nichelle Nichols 2:17
The Squire Of Gothos
5-51 A Major Sonata 1:19
5-52 F Minor Sonata 1:18
5-53 Southern Roses 3:47
The Cage Pre-Recording
5-54 Vina's Dance 2:09
Sound Effects
5-55 Transporter Effect ("The Cage") M4 Tk 3 0:14
5-56 Planet Atmosphere ("The Cage") [Series Transporter Effect] M16 Tk 3 2:02
5-57 Pike Window Bump ("The Cage") M8 Tk 1 0:11
5-58 Talosian Door Effect ("The Cage") M14 Tk 6 0:08
5-59 Disappearance Effect ("The Cage") Mrv Tk 1 0:14
5-60 Sickbay Scanner, High ("Where No Man Has Gone Before") MFX3 Tk 1 0:33
5-61 Sickbay Scanner, Low ("Where No Man Has Gone Before") MFX2 Tk 1 0:47
Unused Sound Effects
5-62 Computer Processing ("The Cage") M11 Tk 1 0:35
5-63 Computer Transmission ("Where No Man Has Gone Before") MFX1 Tk 1 0:23
5-64 Planet Atmosphere Alternate #1 ("The Cage") M1 Tk 1 0:34
5-65 Planet Atmosphere Alternate #2 ("The Cage") M2 Tk 2 0:34
5-66 Planet Atmosphere Alternate #3 ("The Cage") M3 Tk 1 0:36
5-67 Planet Atmosphere Alternate #4 ("The Cage") M16 Tk 4 2:01
5-68 Pike Window Bump ("The Cage") M8 Tk 2-6 0:14
5-69 Bass Twangs ("The Cage") M10 Tk 1, 2 0:46
Sound Effects Rehearsals And Outtakes
5-70 Planet Atmosphere ("The Cage") [Series Transporter Effect] M16 Tk 2 (Alexander Courage Rehearsal) 1:05
5-71 Enterprise Fly-By ("The Naked Time") MX1 Tk 1 (Alexander Courage Vocal Effect) 0:28
5-72 Virus Sound ("The Naked Time") MX4 Tk 1, 2 0:41
Theme Music Outtakes
5-73 Main Title (Electric Violin Version) MT Tk 1-5, 7 Arranged By – Courage* 5:03
5-74 Main Title (Cello Version) M10A Tk 1-3 Arranged By – Steiner* 3:02
5-75 End Title (Electric Violin Version) ET Tk 1 Arranged By – Courage* 0:57
5-76 End Title (Cello Version) META Tk 1-3, 5-6 Arranged By – Steiner* 5:20
SEASON TWO
Amok Time Source Music And Outtakes
10-66 Contrary Order (Gerald Fried Rehearsal) M16-20 1:37
SEASON THREE
Plato's Stepchildren
13-29 Maiden-Wine M54A Vocals – Leonard Nimoy 1:18
I don't have the box set, but I am perfectly happy (very happy, especially with Vol. 7 having my most desired episodes). Also, this should make owners of the original box set happy, as they still have "extra music" exklusive to that release.
Everybody wins :-)
Best,
Burnie
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The Squire Of Gothos
5-51 A Major Sonata 1:19
5-52 F Minor Sonata 1:18
This wasn't your point, but just incidentally, the box set booklet is incorrect on those two tracks. The corrected info is:
5-51. Scarlatti: Sonata in C Major (K159, aka L104)
5-52. Scarlatti: Sonata in G Minor (K450, aka L338)
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If I wanted to embark on a project of assembling complete playlists for each episode - a complete and chronological playlist of the original score material, library cues and repurposed tracks for each episode... is there a resource anywhere that would facilitate that task?
Now that pretty much all the Trek material is back in print, minus previously mentioned cues, I had the notion of trying to recreate the listening experience of entire episodes with all available material.
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If I wanted to embark on a project of assembling complete playlists for each episode - a complete and chronological playlist of the original score material, library cues and repurposed tracks for each episode... is there a resource anywhere that would facilitate that task?
Now that pretty much all the Trek material is back in print, minus previously mentioned cues, I had the notion of trying to recreate the listening experience of entire episodes with all available material.
Tom, someone at least started this quite some time ago, soon after the big box came out, but my searching skills are failing me. Too many relevant terms refer to too many other, relevant, Star Trek things ("score" leads to episode rankings, "music" and "soundtrack" lead to the many pages about the CDs we have, etc.). I recall the work being thorough, noting even how tracked in cues were edited. I recall the project only having gotten so far, and a lot of needless, levelheaded sounding naysaying around it, of the Why Bother ilk (so maybe it's right here on FSM?), and that kind of nonsense can demoralize a person, so it might not have continued apace, but if you can find it, it might save you some work. Maybe if you know the names of one or two cues used in Dagger of the Mind, you could search for those cue names and the episode title, each in quotes, and maybe find it?
I'm at a loss for how to get to it, but someone did at least start this worthwhile project, and they were doing a nice job of it.
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If I wanted to embark on a project of assembling complete playlists for each episode - a complete and chronological playlist of the original score material, library cues and repurposed tracks for each episode... is there a resource anywhere that would facilitate that task?
Now that pretty much all the Trek material is back in print, minus previously mentioned cues, I had the notion of trying to recreate the listening experience of entire episodes with all available material.
That's gonna be a tougher assignment than you bargained for. Scott McOldsmith himself tried it once, and even he had a tough time. The music editors did a LOT of work on the tracked episodes. They often sweetened or finished a cue with notes from an unrelated cue found elsewhere in the series. They weaved a musical web in the tracked shows.
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