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 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I must confess that I agree. I don’t think the motives were bad — Roger and Doug are standup guys — but it was ultimately misleading on Intrada’s part to focus most of the attention on the stretch goal score, which isn’t guaranteed. Focusing on the Hitchcock first in video and written copy is one thing (because I think both at least eventually make clear which is the stretch goal and which is the main goal), but particularly having the video image at the top of the campaign be *only* the score which *may not happen* as part of this project is very strange and risky IMO, in terms of potentially upset backers!

I’m the one who actively encouraged Intrada to consider stretch goals for adding on smaller works in the future so I feel somewhat responsible, but this isn’t how I would have done it. The focus should always be on the main score (i.e. Black Patch) with the add-on (which could have been The Man) clearly delineated as a potential bonus.

But maybe all of this will be a moot point. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a final push for the stretch $10,000, and I’m optimistic that will still be met. (Don’t forget: Dial M for Murder only met its $45,000 goal two days before the end, and then in the last couple of days it somehow went an extra $4,313 over — with no stretch incentive!)

And, if it isn’t quite met, Intrada still might decide to make up the cost difference themselves, since they’ll have already gotten the Kickstarter funds. Maybe the recent $5,893 overage from the Kickstarter for Goldsmith’s Black Patch/The Man could somehow be applied towards TMWKTM as well? (Unless they are already taking it into account somehow.)

They would be under no obligation to of course but I know the Intrada folks want a complete TMWKTM release as much as anyone, so it’s possible they might just eat the expense like they have with many expensive re-recordings in the past. (I think Doug told me they’ve still never made back the expense of employing the LSO on Rio Conchos/The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint, and they’ve rereleased that great recording multiple times!)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I must confess that I agree. I don’t think the motives were bad — Roger and Doug are standup guys — but it was ultimately misleading on Intrada’s part to focus most of the attention on the stretch goal score, which isn’t guaranteed. Focusing on the Hitchcock first in video and written copy is one thing (because I think both at least eventually make clear which is the stretch goal and which is the main goal), but particularly having the video image at the top of the campaign be *only* the score which *may not happen* as part of this project is very strange and risky IMO, in terms of potentially upset backers!



I would agree with you on this and with the other posters re: the lack of rewards. Compared to previous Kickstarter campaigns, I have found this to be rather muted. So far no videos of Jeff or Roger, rather expensive entry level rewards (only free shipping for US residents who pledge money for the CD), while the mid-tier rewards are frankly not generous. Yes, I am aware Intrada is a business, not a charity, however if they do want to meet their stretch goals they need to make changes to the rewards (especially for non US residents).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   tobis   (Member)

I must confess that I agree. I don’t think the motives were bad — Roger and Doug are standup guys — but it was ultimately misleading on Intrada’s part to focus most of the attention on the stretch goal score, which isn’t guaranteed. Focusing on the Hitchcock first in video and written copy is one thing (because I think both at least eventually make clear which is the stretch goal and which is the main goal), but particularly having the video image at the top of the campaign be *only* the score which *may not happen* as part of this project is very strange and risky IMO, in terms of potentially upset backers!



I would agree with you on this and with the other posters re: the lack of rewards. Compared to previous Kickstarter campaigns, I have found this to be rather muted. So far no videos of Jeff or Roger, rather expensive entry level rewards (only free shipping for US residents who pledge money for the CD), while the mid-tier rewards are frankly not generous. Yes, I am aware Intrada is a business, not a charity, however if they do want to meet their stretch goals they need to make changes to the rewards (especially for non US residents).


I agree except for the video part, there has been a video of Jeff added a few days ago. You can see it by scolling down the campaign or by checking the second update.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2022 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Re: Dial M for Murder
I always suspected that the last minute funding came from Olivia Tiomkin. This is based on the fact Volta Music, Tiomkin's music publishing company is flush with money and owned by Olivia Tiomkin who has been very active in preserving his music. It's not a big leap to imagine that she stepped in at the last minute to save the day. Remember she was present at the recording sessions.

It might be a good idea if it hasn't been done already that someone contact people who are Herrmann fans and film preservation supporters like Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, Quintin Tarantino etc. This is chump change to them. Depending on film music fans to support something this important is a fools errand.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I'm surprised a two-level target is allowed by Kickstarter.


Because....it's a stretch goal? Pretty much every Kickstarter has one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   nocturne_cvs   (Member)

I'm surprised a two-level target is allowed by Kickstarter.


Because....it's a stretch goal? Pretty much every Kickstarter has one.


Except they were not very clear about just what the stretch goal was.

They should have had a third party go over their text to make sure it made sense before they posted it, IMHO....

I just checked it today. Only a $30 increase, but the top video image is now of On Dangerous Ground rather than The Man Who Knew Too Much. So someone reads these boards. wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

I just rewatched The Man Who Knew Too Much, really enjoyed the score that could be heard. Had some nice quiet moments that reminded me of Vertigo. Hope the recording comes to fruition

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I just checked it today. Only a $30 increase, but the top video image is now of On Dangerous Ground rather than The Man Who Knew Too Much. So someone reads these boards. wink

I think Roger probably is still watching this thread, at least, even if he's decided to stop participating much on this board. Kudos to him or whoever wisely changed the video image, so that it isn't so misleading...

Except they were not very clear about just what the stretch goal was.

How so? I agree that the initial emphasis in both the video and written copy should not have been on the stretch goal item, but unless one stops watching the video halfway through, or stops reading the text halfway through, I don't see how one could have any confusion about which score is the stretch and which is the primary. Were Roger's sentences stating exactly that unclear, somehow?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

This is worth supporting for the general preservation of film music from a bygone era regardless of the composer or the score.

I hope it reaches its original goal of supporting the recording of bith titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   nocturne_cvs   (Member)

Except they were not very clear about just what the stretch goal was.

How so? I agree that the initial emphasis in both the video and written copy should not have been on the stretch goal item, but unless one stops watching the video halfway through, or stops reading the text halfway through, I don't see how one could have any confusion about which score is the stretch and which is the primary. Were Roger's sentences stating exactly that unclear, somehow?

Yavar

I sort of mispoke. Like a fool, I had just read the first few paras before deciding to pledge for what I *assumed* was The Man Who Knew Too Much.

My bad for not thoroughly reading the whole thing.

BUT, after reading posts here which triggered an "uh....what are they talking about" moment I did go back and read it and I seem to recall that the bit about not recording Man Who Knew Too Much was waaaaay at the bottom, and the stretch goal. Whereas the image at the top of Man Who KNew Too Much, and the fact that both CD names were in the title, caused me - who again, admittedly, didn't do as much reading as I clearly should have done- to assume they were recording both scores and the stretch goal would be something else - more extras of the actually better earlier version of Man Who Knew Too Much, perhaps. ; )

But yeah, at the end of the day, the mistake was mine.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

You're right. Besides the image for TMWKTM which was at the top, the fact that TMWKTM, a stretch goal, is in the *title* of the whole campaign is also somewhat misleading, if it's not guaranteed to happen if the $50,000 campaign goal is reached. As well as this just underneath: "A brand new recording of two Bernard Herrmann scores with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra." That may be Intrada's ultimate goal/hope, but in terms of what the project is, if $50,000 is raised... that's not the project because it'll only be one of those two scores. If it were phrased as "A brand new Bernard Herrmann recording with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra" that would have covered both potential eventualities, without potentially disappointing those who assumed both would happen if funding were reached.

But again, backseat driving...it's not my campaign. Just something Intrada might ponder for the future.

$13,449 left to go with 9 days left; 381 backers so far -- this is now only 25 people behind where Dial M ultimately ended! (It's 114 behind Black Patch/The Man, but I still think it's likely to surpass that too.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2022 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

Incidentally, for anyone planning to order WILLOW and who has a lot of patience, I confirmed with Jeff at Intrada that it WILL be eligible for your free CD at the $100 pledge level. The only thing is that you'll have to wait until the new recording ships to get your free title! But if you were searching for an excuse to increase your pledge, and don't mind the wait for WILLOW, it's an option!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Intrada should record missing cue from Willow during Hermann session - and Horner fans will buy this CD, and campaign will be successful wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2022 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

$13,449 left to go with 9 days left; 381 backers so far -- this is now only 25 people behind where Dial M ultimately ended! (It's 114 behind Black Patch/The Man, but I still think it's likely to surpass that too.)


WOW! Less than 20 hours later, and somebody must have made a big contribution...
$9,528 left to go now with over 8 days left; 392 backers!

This is definitely going to blow past Dial M for Murder in terms of backers, at least! Let's hope it blows past it enough in terms of $$$, so that both scores can happen!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Bump. Fingers crossed.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/on-dangerous-ground-the-man-who-knew-too-much-new-recordings

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There's no better way to celebrate Bernard Herrmann's birthday than to support Intrada's Kickstarter to have William Stromberg conduct TWO great Herrmann scores in new recordings!

There's one week to go! Let's make today a big day in its funding.

It has now hit 400 backers and stands at $43,256, or just $6,744 away from the first goal to fund On Dangerous Ground. Still $16,744 left to go to fund The Man Who Knew Too Much as well -- I believe we can do it!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   nocturne_cvs   (Member)

It has now hit 400 backers and stands at $43,256, or just $6,744 away from the first goal to fund On Dangerous Ground. Still $16,744 left to go to fund The Man Who Knew Too Much as well -- I believe we can do it!

Yavar


Now at 402 backers and $43,316. ; )

Surely some dealers will get into the act soon!

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)



Surely some dealers will get into the act soon!


Three have already.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2022 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

And still with over 7 days left to go, it has just hit $43,396 with 404 backers -- the exact same number of backers that Dial M for Murder FINISHED with back in 2018 -- and that almost hit $50,000! Be optimistic, folks. I think On Dangerous Ground is VERY likely to happen now, but we all want TMWKTM to happen too of course!

The Goldsmith twofer couldn't quite crack the 500 backer threshold (ultimately ending at 495).... but I'll bet this Herrmann twofer is going to do it! With each successful Kickstarter Intrada runs, I think more and more people will participate. (Again, barring serious outside factors like an economic recession/depression of course.)

Yavar

 
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