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I have the Mary Poppins and the Beauty and the Beast and they are quite good, the Poppins is very comprehensive, even recordings of meetings etc. I love both of these scores, very nice.
I disagree about Mary Poppins’ Legacy Edition being comprehensive. Aside from an extra disc of demos and the album overture, it’s exactly the same as the 40th Anniversary Edition. Additionally, it’s still missing a decent amount of material, most notably Bert’s “Comical Poem,” which helps set the tone of the story.
Sleeping Beauty could have been expanded but they didn't. I guess its a mixed bag as far as what was released and quality of the release.
That one especially infuriates me to no end, just knowing they had all the material for the complete score, plus the Full soundtrack album for posterity, and instead reissuing the previous edition and only adding a few demos.
I totally agree. I'm more patient with the 1990s titles, but they should release EVERYTHING of "Snow White", "Bambi", "Pinocchio", "Lady And The Tramp" et al. in comprehensive editions - not just what seems opportune to them at the moment. These are not just random scores, but they are very important ones (if only just for their age) and thus should be released in complete form.
Finally purchased Sleeping Beauty on Blu Ray and watched the special features. What a shame they did not release the complete score since not only were the entire scoring sessions discovered it was completely restored for the Blu Ray release.
Something neat I never caught onto before. When Malicifent was calling Aurora with her haunting curse I thought it was a wordless chant. She's actually calling Aurora by name. "A-URO-A" This was not heard until the music was remixed for the Blu Ray release.
Finally purchased Sleeping Beauty on Blu Ray and watched the special features. What a shame they did not release the complete score since not only were the entire scoring sessions discovered it was completely restored for the Blu Ray release.
Something neat I never caught onto before. When Malicifent was calling Aurora with her haunting curse I thought it was a wordless chant. She's actually calling Aurora by name. "A-URO-A" This was not heard until the music was remixed for the Blu Ray release.
Start at 1:48
I quite agree that it’s a shame that they didn’t release the complete score. Out of curiosity, which Blu-ray edition did you pick up? On the Diamond Edition, one of the “deleted scenes” (really early versions of scenes in the film) utilizes an excerpt from one of the cues shamelessly left off the Legacy Edition (though said cue turns up in abbreviated form on the original soundtrack album as “Fairies to the Rescue”).
Something neat I never caught onto before. When Malicifent was calling Aurora with her haunting curse I thought it was a wordless chant. She's actually calling Aurora by name. "A-URO-A" This was not heard until the music was remixed for the Blu Ray release.
I found that fascinating too. The magic of 7.1 restoration.
Something neat I never caught onto before. When Malicifent was calling Aurora with her haunting curse I thought it was a wordless chant. She's actually calling Aurora by name. "A-URO-A" This was not heard until the music was remixed for the Blu Ray release.
Start at 1:48
I saw the movie in theaters when it was rereleased in 1981, 1982, 1987 and 1995 (French releases) and love it so much that, in 1995, I went once a week for two months. I don't know about VHS tapes but in film prints, I can assure you that Maleficent's Aurora chant was always totally clear and completely unambiguous. So the 2008 sound restoration brings nothing new in that regard.
The Journey The United Nations Rescue Aid Society The Bottle / The Note Zoo Run The Orphanage Pawn Shop Boutique / Follow Her Flight 13 [The U.S. Air Force] Tomorrow is Another Day The Swamp / Runaway Girl Dragonfly Theme Crocodile Run Rescue Aid Society [Reprise] Someone's Waiting For You Go Get Help Find That Diamond The Rescue / The Escape Tomorrow is Another Day [Reprise]
Doin' What I Really Do Best Doin' What I Really Do Best [Piano Demo] I Never Had It So Good I Never Had It So Good [Piano Demo] Peopleitis Peopleitis [Piano Demo] The Rescue Aid Society [Piano Demo] Swamp Volunteers' March [Piano Demo] Just Might Be Tomorrow The Need to Be Loved The Need to Be Loved [Piano Demo] The Journey [Penny Version] Someone's Waiting For You [Madame Medusa Version] Evinrude SFX Tests
Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but surely there's some shred of truth to this? I think it's possible that a RESCUERS soundtrack was being made or has been made at some point, but is simply on hold. I don't remember when exactly, nor from who, but I distinctly remember hearing at some point that, in a supposed magazine interview, Randy Thornton (who's been the principle Walt Disney Records producer since the early 90s) mentioned that the RESCUERS score masters had been plucked from the "vault" and that work had begun on remastering the tracks for a soundtrack release, but plans were either cancelled at the last minute or put on hold. I'm not sure which, and I confess I have zero evidence to back this up (the most I can remember is that I retrieved this information from another film music forum, possibly the Intrada boards), but I think it's within the realm of reason.
The score on the DVD/Blu-ray releases of the film sounds like it's been remastered from original elements, whereas ROBIN HOOD, which has only now been released, appeared to simply use the original mono soundtrack on DVD before its Legacy Collection makeover. I'm not positive, but I think we could be looking at a SLEEPING BEAUTY situation; the work may have been done a long time ago and Disney simply hasn't lifted a finger for the CD. Not yet, at least. It makes me wonder how much other unreleased Disney material is being kept off CD for whatever reason -- the first RESCUERS film had an LP release (minus underscore), so I can't imagine it'd be rights/licensing issues, which were what apparently held back ROBIN HOOD for such a long time. Perhaps it's simply corporate greed holding back should-be releases like the expanded SLEEPING BEAUTY.
The Journey The United Nations Rescue Aid Society The Bottle / The Note Zoo Run The Orphanage Pawn Shop Boutique / Follow Her Flight 13 [The U.S. Air Force] Tomorrow is Another Day The Swamp / Runaway Girl Dragonfly Theme Crocodile Run Rescue Aid Society [Reprise] Someone's Waiting For You Go Get Help Find That Diamond The Rescue / The Escape Tomorrow is Another Day [Reprise]
Doin' What I Really Do Best Doin' What I Really Do Best [Piano Demo] I Never Had It So Good I Never Had It So Good [Piano Demo] Peopleitis Peopleitis [Piano Demo] The Rescue Aid Society [Piano Demo] Swamp Volunteers' March [Piano Demo] Just Might Be Tomorrow The Need to Be Loved The Need to Be Loved [Piano Demo] The Journey [Penny Version] Someone's Waiting For You [Madame Medusa Version] Evinrude SFX Tests
Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but surely there's some shred of truth to this? I think it's possible that a RESCUERS soundtrack was being made or has been made at some point, but is simply on hold. I don't remember when exactly, nor from who, but I distinctly remember hearing at some point that, in a supposed magazine interview, Randy Thornton (who's been the principle Walt Disney Records producer since the early 90s) mentioned that the RESCUERS score masters had been plucked from the "vault" and that work had begun on remastering the tracks for a soundtrack release, but plans were either cancelled at the last minute or put on hold. I'm not sure which, and I confess I have zero evidence to back this up (the most I can remember is that I retrieved this information from another film music forum, possibly the Intrada boards), but I think it's within the realm of reason.
The score on the DVD/Blu-ray releases of the film sounds like it's been remastered from original elements, whereas ROBIN HOOD, which has only now been released, appeared to simply use the original mono soundtrack on DVD before its Legacy Collection makeover. I'm not positive, but I think we could be looking at a SLEEPING BEAUTY situation; the work may have been done a long time ago and Disney simply hasn't lifted a finger for the CD. Not yet, at least. It makes me wonder how much other unreleased Disney material is being kept off CD for whatever reason -- the first RESCUERS film had an LP release (minus underscore), so I can't imagine it'd be rights/licensing issues, which were what apparently held back ROBIN HOOD for such a long time. Perhaps it's simply corporate greed holding back should-be releases like the expanded SLEEPING BEAUTY.
I still think the anonymous post was legitimate too. But two things happened- The market was moving away from CD's and second most importantly vinyl (and by default turntables) had a huge resurgence.
A billion dollar company like Disney is going to go where the money is. So yes, I do believe this was in the works, but was either canceled or put on hold. Disney seems fine in letting Intrada release it's "lessor" titles on CD, so perhaps it will get a second chance as an Intrada release.
I finally purchased the original Sleeping Beauty 1959 OST off of iTunes. I haven't done a cue by cue comparison with the expanded 90's/Legacy Collection edition. But here's a few observations about this release.
12 tracks/34mins (approx)
Blue Bird/ I wonder: Intro (first 10 seconds) different and not on the 90’s expanded edition or Legacy Collection edition.
Maleficent’s Evil Spell: Doesn’t include the haunting “Aurora” voice overlay.
Fairies to the Rescue/Bacchanal: Not on 90’s expanded edition or Legacy Collection edition.
I finally purchased the original Sleeping Beauty 1959 OST off of iTunes. I haven't done a cue by cue comparison with the expanded 90's/Legacy Collection edition. But here's a few observations about this release.
12 tracks/34mins (approx)
Blue Bird/ I wonder: Intro (first 10 seconds) different and not on the 90’s expanded edition or Legacy Collection edition.
Maleficent’s Evil Spell: Doesn’t include the haunting “Aurora” voice overlay.
Fairies to the Rescue/Bacchanal: Not on 90’s expanded edition or Legacy Collection edition.
I don't know if I missed any other differences.
Here’s a list of the differences between the original soundtrack album and the Legacy edition I noted which I previously made in that edition’s respective thread though I have since made a few revisions:
1. Main Title: The original soundtrack album is missing the Buena Vista fanfare and includes rerecorded vocals. Additionally, the OST stops after the fairies' motif (based on the Silver Fairy theme from the ballet) is heard.
2. Hail to the Princess Aurora: Aside from the rerecorded vocals, the orchestral backing track is exactly as heard in the film.
3. The Gifts of Beauty and Song/Maleficent Appears/True Love Conquers All: The OST starts at the equivalent of 0:05 on the expanded album and continues as heard in the film (again with new vocals and minus the harp overlays) until 2:48 when the OST jumps to the equivalent of 3:54 on the current album ("The Princess shall indeed grow in grace and beauty...) and continues from there until True Love Conquers All. In addition to the rerecorded vocals, the OST adds parts for solo flute and trumpet.
4. Blue Bird/I Wonder: As the LC Press Release noted, these two sections were completely rerecorded for the OST (the film version of the first section is still unreleased). The track opens with pastoral music of which the first half is not heard in the film (either this music was recorded specifically for the album or was dialed out in the film to accentuate Mary Costa's vocals). Additionally, a new coda is added to "Blue Bird" to seamlessly transition into "I Wonder" (which is slightly reorchestrated on the album).
5. Woodland Symphony/Once Upon a Dream: The first 30 seconds of this album track consists of a cue for the forest animals decide to create a makeshift prince to cheer Aurora up using Prince Philip's cape and hat (this music is strangely missing from the main program of the LC). This material is primarily based on the coda of the Blue Bird Pas de Deux from the ballet with a brief quotation of the Blue Bird theme at the end of the cue. After this piece, the track shifts to 0:19 of Track 8 (An Unusual Prince/Once Upon a Dream) on the current album and further develops the Woodland Symphony theme before jumping into the orchestral introduction to Once Upon a Dream. From here, a harp glisserando leads into a rerecorded version of the song which contains a different coda than what is heard in the film in addition to the rerecorded vocals.
6. The Three Good Fairies (Sing a Smiling Song): This track is exactly the same as track 9 on the current album except for a few gaps in parts and does not contain the deleted song.
7. Skumps: This is the only track on the OST to contain the vocals as heard in the film (performed by Taylor Holmes and Disney regular Bill Thompson). However, instead of using the orchestral interlude heard in the film, the OST instead uses the first 40 seconds of the following cue, "The Royal Argument," before going into the second verse.
8. Maleficent's Evil Spell: This album track starts at 0:18 of Track 13 (Aurora's Return). The album omits the haunting vocal for Maleficent hypnotizing Aurora and jumps to 2:48 of Track 13 on the current album, but omits the reprise of the last section of the "Puss in Boots" music heard in the film. The album then closes the track with a slightly shortened version of Poor Aurora (LC Track 14 0:08-1:09).
9. Sleeping Beauty: The only major difference to note here are the rerecorded vocals and the omission of the comic insert for Merryweather putting the minstrel to sleep.
10. Fairies to the Rescue/Bacchanale: The first section of this album track derives from a shortened version of the music where the fairies rush to the cottage only to find that Maleficent has already captured Prince Philip (The full version of this cue is still unreleased). The music is taken from the Act I finale of the ballet and uses scurrying strings to depict the fairies' flight before it is interrupted by a stab of the Carabosse motif from the ballet for when they find Philip's hat (the film version includes an ascending string movement building into this). Rather than including the music for when the fairies resolve to rescue Philip, the OST transitions into Track 14 of the current album (This cue is rather peculiar as to its name. While it is called Bacchanale on the OST, it is titled "Forbidden Mountain" on the expanded album, and as "Dance Vertigo" on the cue sheets Bill Wrobel analyzed). This is an alternate of that cue as the woodwinds at 1:22 on this album (0:47 on the current album) is played at a slower tempo than in the film and the harp that concludes this piece on the current album (itself an alternate) is completely absent here.
11. The Prince Dreams of Sleeping Beauty: This album track focuses entirely on the Lilac Fairy material from Track 16 of the current album ("A Fairy Tale Come True") minus the opening string trill.
12. Battle with the Forces of Evil/Awakening/Finale: This album track starts at 1:54 of Track 17 of the current album (depicting Philip's ride to the castle), but skips the reprise of this material heard for the Forest of Thorns scene and goes to the music for the reveal of Maleficent as a dragon (3:44 on the current album). Interestingly, in addition to being drastically shortened from the film, this appears to be an alternate mix as there is a bass drum chord accentuating the dragon's appearance not heard on the current album (the film uses a second cymbal crash). From there it continues as heard on tracks 17-18 of the current album, but at 4:20, instead of continuing with the music for Aurora and Philip walking down the stairs, the album jumps to the Finale, shorn of its short introduction and again containing rerecorded vocals.
Is a "Jungle Book" (1967 animation movie) release a possibility? I am not completely satisfied with the old 1990's Polydor soundtrack album (the sound is not so good i.m.o.). Even I miss at least one cue where Baloo and Mowgli are making a training fight. Maybe with some alternates and extras it could be a nice Legacy-CD.
I still think the anonymous post was legitimate too. But two things happened- The market was moving away from CD's and second most importantly vinyl (and by default turntables) had a huge resurgence.
A billion dollar company like Disney is going to go where the money is. So yes, I do believe this was in the works, but was either canceled or put on hold. Disney seems fine in letting Intrada release it's "lessor" titles on CD, so perhaps it will get a second chance as an Intrada release.
You could be right, but is Disney really not releasing CDs anymore? They did nearly all the MCU movies and Frozen 2 (though I know Beck's score is exclusive to the Japanese CD market). I'd like to believe it was due more to the haphazard approach from the very beginning: trying to match movies with an anniversary year, for example (which is something they abandoned even with their home video releases), while not getting to the top titles quickly. I mean, they somehow didn't get to Aladdin despite the stupidly convenient tie-in to a live action remake? Just always sounded cobbled together to me.
If it's indeed over, I hope Intrada gets Rescuers and others then too.
I still think the anonymous post was legitimate too. But two things happened- The market was moving away from CD's and second most importantly vinyl (and by default turntables) had a huge resurgence.
A billion dollar company like Disney is going to go where the money is. So yes, I do believe this was in the works, but was either canceled or put on hold. Disney seems fine in letting Intrada release it's "lessor" titles on CD, so perhaps it will get a second chance as an Intrada release.
You could be right, but is Disney really not releasing CDs anymore? They did nearly all the MCU movies and Frozen 2 (though I know Beck's score is exclusive to the Japanese CD market). I'd like to believe it was due more to the haphazard approach from the very beginning: trying to match movies with an anniversary year, for example (which is something they abandoned even with their home video releases), while not getting to the top titles quickly. I mean, they somehow didn't get to Aladdin despite the stupidly convenient tie-in to a live action remake? Just always sounded cobbled together to me.
If it's indeed over, I hope Intrada gets Rescuers and others then too.
Intrada tried to get The Rescuers and at least Mulan, and unfortunately, they were told that Disney was holding on to those two for their own “potential plans,” whatever they may be.
If it's indeed over, I hope Intrada gets Rescuers and others then too.
Intrada tried to get The Rescuers and at least Mulan, and unfortunately, they were told that Disney was holding on to those two for their own “potential plans,” whatever they may be.
