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I suspect most will like it, I suspect some will be annoyed by the fades (some have already stated that here), and life will go on. It's a great score.
BTW, I don't have "some recording" - I have THIS recording - it's assembled a bit differently and to my ears sounds a bit better, but that's just me.
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Thanks for heads-up Bruce. I now have a much better idea of what to expect.
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Okay, here it is, unvarnished and plain. Some of you won't want to hear this. Some of you will want to hear this. And I'm still going through it to see what's what.
I now have Stylotone's Marnie - I ended up getting the wrong cover because I knew the corrected copies were not gonna get her until the beginning of June at the earliest.
As I've said here many times, I have had the stereo Marnie for a very long time. I'm not exactly sure how it was gotten, but I know from whom I got it and I know I was not the only one who got it from that source, and that includes Intrada, who was going to do this. I have not read any of the liner notes - I don't even know if there ARE liner notes - I'll have to look. I don't know if they're cagey about where this came from, whether it's just a clone of what I have or what.
Sound: The mastering engineer, supposedly one of the greatest anywhere, or so I keep reading, has dulled the sound a bit - it's okay, but the one I have is brighter and better. The Stylotone isn't bad, it just isn't quite as good. Are the fades there on the Stylotone - with the exception of the main titles, yes. It wouldn't have been possible to fade the main title as it ends loudly and with an abrupt note. The fades are indeed irritating, sorry. And not a one of them is present on what I have. The worst one, at least of what I've heard so far, is on The Hunt. What's fascinating about that cue is on the Stylotone it ends at around the 2:46 mark - on mine that track contains the next cue as well - there's no fade at 2:46, it just continues on with the next cue and it sounds great like that. That's not the only time that happens. It leads me to believe that they had exactly what I had - same with Twisted Nerve, as a matter of fact.
Interestingly, what they call alternates are in the body of what I have. For example, the two Mr. Strutt cues - on the Stylotone you get "film version" in the body and then alternate as a bonus. On mine the two go together on the same track. I'm not sure why and I'd have to watch the film to see what's what there. So, it's a little difficult to keep going back and forth between them due to those differences, but I'm mushing on and will report back with any other interesting things I find. But the fades were totally unnecessary.
Did you notice if the Stylotone has less hiss than yours? Not anything you don't already know, but when you apply noise reduction to remove hiss it can roll off the high end so it's not as bright. I prefer a little hiss and an intact high end, but not everyone agrees with that. Just wondering if that may be the reason for the dullness.
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Okay, here it is, unvarnished and plain. Some of you won't want to hear this. Some of you will want to hear this. And I'm still going through it to see what's what.
I now have Stylotone's Marnie - I ended up getting the wrong cover because I knew the corrected copies were not gonna get her until the beginning of June at the earliest.
As I've said here many times, I have had the stereo Marnie for a very long time. I'm not exactly sure how it was gotten, but I know from whom I got it and I know I was not the only one who got it from that source, and that includes Intrada, who was going to do this. I have not read any of the liner notes - I don't even know if there ARE liner notes - I'll have to look. I don't know if they're cagey about where this came from, whether it's just a clone of what I have or what.
Sound: The mastering engineer, supposedly one of the greatest anywhere, or so I keep reading, has dulled the sound a bit - it's okay, but the one I have is brighter and better. The Stylotone isn't bad, it just isn't quite as good. Are the fades there on the Stylotone - with the exception of the main titles, yes. It wouldn't have been possible to fade the main title as it ends loudly and with an abrupt note. The fades are indeed irritating, sorry. And not a one of them is present on what I have. The worst one, at least of what I've heard so far, is on The Hunt. What's fascinating about that cue is on the Stylotone it ends at around the 2:46 mark - on mine that track contains the next cue as well - there's no fade at 2:46, it just continues on with the next cue and it sounds great like that. That's not the only time that happens. It leads me to believe that they had exactly what I had - same with Twisted Nerve, as a matter of fact.
Interestingly, what they call alternates are in the body of what I have. For example, the two Mr. Strutt cues - on the Stylotone you get "film version" in the body and then alternate as a bonus. On mine the two go together on the same track. I'm not sure why and I'd have to watch the film to see what's what there. So, it's a little difficult to keep going back and forth between them due to those differences, but I'm mushing on and will report back with any other interesting things I find. But the fades were totally unnecessary.
Did you notice if the Stylotone has less hiss than yours? Not anything you don't already know, but when you apply noise reduction to remove hiss it can roll off the high end so it's not as bright. I prefer a little hiss and an intact high end, but not everyone agrees with that. Just wondering if that may be the reason for the dullness.
I'm sure that is the case. Everyone has their own aesthetic about these things. I like hiss - if something was recorded on tape - there's hiss - it's part of the deal and was part of the way recordings made on tape sounded.
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Why use this source if the title was officially licensed from Universal?
Licensing the title doesn't necessarily mean a usable first generation master tape exists.
We all know a second or third generation tape has been doing the rounds for years because of the bootleg releases there have been; and I'm guessing the lack of a better master element has always been the blocking problem for the labels that have been wanting to release this.
Perhaps Stylotone, a bit like Intrada did with Peter Proud, gave up waiting for a better source and produced this from the same second or third generation sources other people have, but licensed this time.
I am just theorising of course.
By the way, I agree that I would prefer hiss to dullness and if one has to fade out while music is playing to separate tracks, then I'd prefer them to not separate the tracks.
The aesthetic decisions taken are a pity.
Cheers
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Licensing the title doesn't necessarily mean a usable first generation master tape exists.
Perhaps: I guess the stereo tracks on the "Signatures in suspense" compilation that was issued by Universal led me to believe that the original masters were transferred way back then in 1999.
It seems likely to me that Stylotone will have used the same source as that, but that transfer could have been from a second generation tape.
Of course, I am only speculating—I have no inside knowledge.
However, Bruce's observation that the fades are only applied where tracks were joined up on his copy does make it very credible that his copy and Stylotone's source are the same transfer.
It's a pity labels like Stylotone don't engage in the usual open commentary about sources and transfers.
Cheers
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This is not a substandard source - this was a really good transfer, whoever did it and wherever it ultimately came from. Whether Universal has it or not, I don't know. But this had to come from somewhere. This isn't the boot - the boot was mono and terrible. This is beautiful stereo - a bit dryly recorded for my taste, but even with the highs rolled off a bit, it sounds fine. The fades are not only there on the joined tracks they unjoined - they are there on every track save for the main title.
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Anyone have an email address for Super Deluxe Edition? I would like to cancel my pre-order with them, as I was able to buy MARNIE for $20.00 less somewhere else. None of the contact links on their website work.
Links worked for me, but here it is: contact@shopsuperdeluxe.com
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By the way, I agree that I would prefer hiss to dullness and if one has to fade out while music is playing to separate tracks, then I'd prefer them to not separate the tracks.
The aesthetic decisions taken are a pity.
I don’t think the sound quality is in the least bit “dull”. In fact it sound fabulous to my ears and if I hadn’t read this thread, I would never have even noticed any fade-outs at the end of cues; they certainly aren’t obvious. I’m also pleased that Stylotone have separated all the cues, rather than having several of them running together on one track – that’s something I really dislike and which makes it difficult to follow the music in relationship with the film.
The whole package, like TWISTED NERVE, is hugely impressive and attractively designed. My only gripe is the lack of detailed liner notes. Steven C Smith provides just a few paragraphs of comment on the back cover but I suppose Stylotone are replicating the appearance which the album might have had back in 1964, complete with retro notice about using the correct stylus if playing the record through mono equipment.
Stylotone are obviously aiming sales at the vinyl collector and I was surprised to find out just how many record dealers there are in the UK specialising in vinyl and selling this set. I don’t understand the vinyl resurgence and wonder how long it will last but one of my middle-aged nephews has become a big fan and the HMV chain here in the UK are rapidly expanding their vinyl shelves, so obviously it’s going to stay around for a while.
Well, if this is directed at me, you have nothing to compare it to, which I do. I've already said numerous times that I think most will be very happy with this release. Many here notice and are not thrilled with the fadeouts, you aren't. That's what makes horse racing. I suppose people's point about them are that the music is still going while the track is fading. Again, it's an aesthetic decision that some won't care about and some will. As to combined tracks, well, that's been going on since the Year One and I prefer it to having nothing but twenty and forty-second tracks. But until i pull out the film and watch again I won't know if those tracks are or aren't combined in the film.
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May 12, 2019 - 8:49 PM
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If CDs were presented in something approaching LP-sized sleeves, maybe people who are now buying LPs would buy more CDs. There is nothing particularly satisfying about a CD booklet made almost exactly to the size of a sheet of toilet paper. Young people see LPs of the past and think that's a whole lot better than the CD documentation they are expected to find desirable. The whole idea of CD packaging and paperwork is to save space. But saving space is obviously of no concern for LP buyers. If they want to save space, they'll download. The space saving of CDs was really meant to be of prime benefit to retailers... but since there are barely any traditional retailers anymore, that's more or less irrelevant too.
When you open the cereal you get from the supermarket, you see right away that the amount of cereal in the packet could easily be contained in a packet of half the size. You'd think "space-saving" would be of even more concern in the kitchen, so why do they make the packet as oversized and colorful and "attractive" as possible?
CDs disregard the allure of enticing packaging in favor of what was, 30 or 40 years ago, an impressive piece of technical miniaturization and a flashy (back then) plastic housing. Now that there is nothing impressive whatsoever about those aspects of the product, only the limitation of dire physical presentation (compared to relatively spectacular graphic possibilities and collectability of LPs) remains. At least, that's what I think.
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Dumb question here but did anyone get an email confirmation when they placed their order? I think I placed it but never got any confirmation so now I'm filled with self-doubt. And I don't want to place another order in the event I end up with two!
By the way I was at Blu-Wave when the elements for this project were pulled so I saw them sitting in a stack there. So if there is any doubt, they did come from the Universal vaults. (Although whether they used them I couldn't confirm but seems a safe assumption)
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