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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

Let's say there is no new music to be added from tapes



could it be that, the dude restoring the unreleased music on youtube has allowed it to be on the release

or

they have used AI to remove background noises


if the last and successfull maybe that can give hope for a FRWL release

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Manakin Skywalker   (Member)

No and no.

AI needs to stay far away from official film score restorations.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Mugradius   (Member)

No and no.

AI needs to stay far away from official film score restorations.


Entirely agree. I've seen what it's done to some 4K releases and I hope it stays away from the music side of things.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Captain_Kaos   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers

Examples where it had been done already?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers

Examples where it had been done already?


There has to be a first time for everything. If it works, brilliant.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Even if the first results wouldn't be the best, there is no question that A.I. will be doing just that within a few years, and it will be perfected and no one will ever think there was a time when there were those skeptical of the potential.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Even right now in the still being perfected stages of development, I have been using the Lalal.ai and Easeus A.I. websites to remove dialogue from suites that I make and while many times it's obvious, there are other times that if I didn't tell you there was dialogue there, you wouldn't know unless you got a high-end sound system. Granted, these are with lower-quality sound files, but the technology will improve. But I do suspect that for at least a few short decades it'll be widely implemented by the industry on songs and old song albums, scores which tend to need an ear of a fellow score fan, may still end up to some large degree (if not totally in some instances) be re-mastered/mastered from the ground up by professionals. We're not down and out yet.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

A.I. in the hands of professionals who know what they're doing will always beat A.I. in the hands of Joe Bloe, obviously, but the potential is mighty.
A.I. is a tool, just like a plow or a even a computer itself... it won't replace those who know how to use it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Mugradius   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers


My scepticism knows no bounds... But if it can do that, and do it well I might add, then perhaps it could be of use.

It's the direction everything seems to be heading in, anyway.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2024 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers


Examples where it had been done already?


Giles Martin used AI to remix the Beatles' Revolver album. It sounds great!

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2024 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

AI has the capability to take a fully mixed film soundtrack from a DVD (music, dialogue, and effects) and....

1. Isolate the music.
2. Enhance the dynamics, which are crunched on a film soundtrack.
3. Turn mono back into stereo.

And maybe even...

4. Correct jarring cuts.

It gives us a potential to recover lost film music recordings from the film soundtrack itself.

Why wouldn't you want that?

Cheers


Well, Mad Max 2 should be a no brainer for this treatment. There are no jarring edits that I know of and the music is mixed quiet loudly on the soundtrack with good stereo separation. So maybe there is hope for this score after all?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2024 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

No and no.

AI needs to stay far away from official film score restorations.


Entirely agree. I've seen what it's done to some 4K releases and I hope it stays away from the music side of things.


but they were also not doing it with love like out beloved labels - the team behind the 4K releases are not in touch with the consumer as here on FSM-board - and that team just want to get the job done and release it

LA LA did get notice about ALIEN 3 master tape one year before release almost - maybe it was ready for release like a year before it was released - that's dedication and love to the project



even intrada did redo RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD PART II when a cue was missing an ending and even Doug F. did add the overlays to the ambush cue

so if the things are checked up then i have no problem with it being modified by AI because even Mike M. does quality control on his work

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2024 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Just wanted to say that it's fitting that we're getting a Star Trek LLL announcement on a Tuesday.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2024 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Yes, how delightfully fitting Tuesday is.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2024 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

A.I. in the hands of professionals who know what they're doing will always beat A.I. in the hands of Joe Bloe, obviously, but the potential is mighty. A.I. is a tool, just like a plow or a even a computer itself... it won't replace those who know how to use it.

100%.

A.I. can do what humans can't on their own, but it also cannot do many things humans can, and could with it. What has happened in some places, more professional places than from the Joes Blow, because CEOs love the idea of not having to pay humans for what a product could do instead, is that it has been presented as the Magic Button, and given full trust, taken as an "It's either A.I. or us to do this work." Tools don't use themselves well; the process needs human oversight. That's happening more on the amateur level, where the only reason people do it is because they care, vs. in professional settings, where they have sharper tools, but it's been more quickly adopted as the full replacement for the user, rather than a way to make the user's work come out better.

At The Goldsmith Odyssey, I use an AI to remove vocals from productions where all we have is the finished film or radio show. It usually sounds pretty good, as good as the tape of the time had it only recorded the music. Sometimes it isn't great because there was so much other sound to capture, that the music didn't fully imprint on the tape; uncluttered, the music recorded 'cruddy', so the AI is doing its job well, but the best result isn't what I'd hoped for.

But sometimes the AI thinks an oboe is a voice, or a trumpet is a voice, so that part of the music is gone until it eventually catches, on either on its own, or when that instrument is spoken over, revealing the difference. In those cases, I have some work to do, patching the spot with sound from the original file. Or sometimes the music is potted, in which case I need to unpot it. I don't just "run it through the AI" and champion it as perfect results from the latest, greatest thing.

Without the AI, I could only play a full sound clip, with dialogue over the score, so it's a huge boon for me. But I don't just go 100% with it either, because it isn't 100%, and I'm able to make up some of that missing percentage in ways it can't.

And I'm just a guy who makes a podcast using free stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2024 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   mild_cigar   (Member)

Bond is Back ?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2024 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   bladerunner76   (Member)

We shall know in about 48 hours

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2024 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

So the titles won't be announced until the moment they go on sale tomorrow at noon PST?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2024 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

What time will the announcement be made in EU time ?

 
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