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 Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.

Name Date of Birth Date of Death

  • Kadosa, Pal Sunday, September 06, 1903 Wednesday, March 30, 1983

  • Seiber, Matyas Thursday, May 04, 1905 Saturday, September 24, 1960

  • Farkas, Ferenc Friday, December 15, 1905 Tuesday, October 10, 2000

  • Veress, Sandor Friday, February 01, 1907 Wednesday, March 04, 1992

  • Rozsa, Miklos Thursday, April 18, 1907 Thursday, July 27, 1995

  • Mihaly, Andras Wednesday, November 07, 1917 Sunday, September 19, 1993

  • Jardanyi, Pal Friday, January 30, 1920 Friday, July 29, 1966

  • Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006

  • Kurtag, Gyorgy Friday, February 19, 1926

  • Sary, Laszlo Monday, January 01, 1940

  • Jeney, Zoltan Thursday, March 04, 1943

  • Eotvos, Peter Sunday, January 02, 1944

  • Vidovsky, Laszlo Friday, February 25, 1944

  • Tihanyi, Laszlo 1956

    Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?

    Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition?

    Do you think the music of Matyas Seiber or Sandor Veress will ever increase in distribution and/or popularity (insofar as absolute music can ever be deemed popular)?

    Does the conducting career of Peter Eotvos overshadow his compositions?

    Who has heard the film music of Andras Mihaly or Laszlo Vidovsky?

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     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 12:11 PM   
     By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)



    Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?


    We absolutely all do! Never heard of any of those other people.

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
     By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

    I sure hope so!

    But I'm afraid all of them will be forgotten frown

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:08 PM   
     By:   ToneRow   (Member)

    Never heard of any of those other people.

    Now ya do! smile

    Sample some Peter Eotvos, if you are curious.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8yGvd1-heo&feature=player_detailpage

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:23 PM   
     By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

    I've dipped into Eotvos, Tone. I find it all quite hypnotic and stimulating at the same time. But us (not you) film-music-nutters would only actually ever consider listening to it all (much less buying it) if it were the score for a horror film. Such are we (me).

     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
     By:   ToneRow   (Member)

    I've dipped into Eotvos, Tone. I find it all quite hypnotic and stimulating at the same time. But us (not you) film-music-nutters would only actually ever consider listening to it all (much less buying it) if it were the score for a horror film. Such are we (me).

    Yeah, I realize Graham.

    But Eotvos did write music for about 10 films.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0264382/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr2

    I find it fascinating when I discover a composer whose music I've owned on classical music CDs has also composed for film.

    Eotvos scored Karoly Makk's 1974 CAT'S EYE.

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 4:57 PM   
     By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

    Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?

    Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition?


    Good questions. Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. In the classical world, Franz Schubert was very little known during his lifetime (hell, his monumental 9th symphony wasn't even played until years after his death!), but has since become one of the best-known composers of early Romanticism. Conversely, big stars can fade with time. Georg Philipp Telemann, for example, was huge during the Baroque period but has since been superseded by Bach and Handel. (If you're saying "who the heck was Telemann" right now, you're proving my point.)

    Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was. wink

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:06 PM   
     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

    I was about to say that you had omitted Laszlo Lajtha, "Hungary's third great modernist" according to Fanfare's Paul Snook. But I see that Lajtha was actually born in 1892 and thus falls outside the scope of this query, as does Eugene Zador (1894-1977). It may be relevant to point out that during the 1930s Zador was a far more celebrated figure than Miklos Rozsa. He got several operas onto the stage, and one of his works was even discussed in Donald Francis Tovey's famous Essays in Musical Analysis. About reputations you never can tell.

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 8:22 PM   
     By:   pp312   (Member)

    If you're saying "who the heck was Telemann" right now....

    Then you're an ignorant peasant who needs to get out more. smile

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 10, 2013 - 11:02 PM   
     By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

    If you're saying "who the heck was Telemann" right now....

    Then you're an ignorant perasant who needs to get out more. smile


    What's a perasant? (Someone who doesn't know who Telemann was?) wink

     
     Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
     By:   George Komar   (Member)

    Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. ... Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was. wink

    I own CD recordings of almost all of Ligeti's compositions, but Lontano, Atmospheres, Requiem and Lux Aeterna remain the only ones that I really ever listen to.

    At any rate, unless there's a sudden decline in interest in 20th century cinema in the 21st century, more people will be exposed to the music of Miklos Rozsa than that of Gyorgy Ligeti. It must be remembered that Ligeti's music came into prominence in the late '60s and '70s very much as a result of his music being prominently featured in the films "2001: a space odyssey" and "The Shining."

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 1:49 PM   
     By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

    At any rate, unless there's a sudden decline in interest in 20th century cinema in the 21st century, more people will be exposed to the music of Miklos Rozsa than that of Gyorgy Ligeti.

    Excellent point. Perhaps we should make a distinction then between whose music will be more widely known and who will have the more familiar name. Probably Ligeti would be the more familiar name but, bar for bar, Rozsa's music wins hands down.

     
     Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 2:43 PM   
     By:   Loren   (Member)

    Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.
    ...
  • Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006


    Whatever you say.
    Though I consider Ligeti more a Romanian composer than Hungarian since he was born and studied in Transylvania.

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     Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 3:46 PM   
     By:   Alfachrger   (Member)

    My vote is for Ligeti.

    http://www.gyorgy-ligeti.com/

    performances:

    11/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria
    Conductor: Hugh Wolff
    Festspielhaus, St. Pölten, Austria

    12/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria
    Conductor: Hugh Wolff
    Musikverein, Wien, Austria

    14/11/2013
    Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre")
    En Suspens (Étude 11 from "Études pour piano, Deuxième livre")
    Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
    Asko|Schönberg Ensemble
    Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw
    Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands

    15/11/2013
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Deutsche Radio Philharmonie Saarbrücken Kaiserslautern
    Conductor: Zsolt Nagy
    Großer Sendesaal, Saarbrücken, Germany

    15/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Norrköpings Symfoniorkester
    Conductor: Antony Hermus
    Konserthus, Stockholm, Sweden

    16/11/2013
    Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
    Conductor: Frank Beermann
    Oper, Chemnitz, Germany

    16/11/2013
    Melodies for Orchestra
    LandesJugendEnsemble Neue Musik Schleswig-Holstein
    Radialsystem, Berlin, Germany

    16/11/2013
    Lux Aeterna
    Conductor: Ron Dirk Entleutner
    Gewandhaus, Leipzig, Germany

    17/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Sinfonietta 92
    Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire
    Grunewaldkirche, Berlin, Germany

    17/11/2013
    String Quartet No 2
    St Pauls Hall, Huddersfield, England

    21/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Uppsala Kammarorkester
    Conductor: Paul Mägi
    Konsert & Kongress. Stora salen, Uppsala, Sweden

    23/11/2013
    Atmosphères for large Orchestra
    Orqueta Sinfonica Portuguesa
    Conductor: Peter Rundel
    Porto, Portugal

    24/11/2013
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Sinfonietta 92
    Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire
    Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany

    25/11/2013
    Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
    neophon ensemble
    Conductor: Konstantin Heuer
    Hochschule für Musik und Theater, Rostock; Germany

    28/11/2013
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    San Fransisco Popyphony for Orchestra
    BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra
    Conductor: Ilan Volkov
    Royal Festival Hall, London, England

    29/11/2013
    Poème Symphonique
    Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau
    Conductor: Daniel Carlberg
    Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany

    30/11/2013
    Mysteries of the Macabre
    Britten Sinfonia
    Saffron Hall, Saffron Walden, England

    02/12/2013
    Poème Symphonique
    Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau
    Conductor: Daniel Carlberg
    Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany

    02/12/2013
    Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
    ensemble oktopus für musik der moderne
    Conductor: Konstantia Gourzi
    Reaktorhalle, München, Germany

    04/12/2013
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany

    04/12/2013
    Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
    Detmolder Kammerorchester
    Conductor: Alfredo Perl
    Konzerthaus der Hochschule für Musik, Detmold, Germany

    04/12/2013
    String Quartet Nr. 2
    Sonata for Violoncello solo
    Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
    Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany

    08/12/2013
    Continuum
    Two Studies for Organ
    Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
    Nationaltheater, München, Germany

    08/12/2013
    Sonata for Viola solo
    Philharmonie, Essen, Germany

    13/12/2013
    Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
    Orchestre des Lauréats du Conservatoire
    Conductor: Zsolt Nagy
    Conservatoire, Salle M. Fleuret, Paris, France

    14/12/2013
    Continuum
    Two Studies for Organ
    Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
    Nationaltheater, München, Germany

    19/12/2013
    String Quartet Nr. 2
    Sonata for Violoncello solo
    Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
    Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany

    31/12/2013
    Articulation
    University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland

    10/01/2014
    Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
    Conductor: Frank Beermann
    Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany

    12/01/2014
    Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
    Conductor: Frank Beermann
    Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany

    14/01/2014
    Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
    Conductor: Frank Beermann
    Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany

    18/01/2014
    Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
    Conductor: Frank Beermann
    Oper, Chemnitz, Germany

    18/01/2014
    String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
    Cité de la musique, Amphithéâtre, Paris, France

    22/01/2014
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Münchner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Philippe Jordan
    Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany

    23/01/2014
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Münchner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Philippe Jordan
    Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany

    24/01/2014
    Lontano for large Orchestra
    hr-Sinfonieorchester
    Conductor: David Afkham
    hr-Sendesaal, Frankfurt/Main, Germany

    25/01/2014
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Münchner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Philippe Jordan
    Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany

    26/01/2014
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Münchner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Philippe Jordan
    Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany

    05/02/2014
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Burghof, Forbach, France

    06/02/2014
    Trio
    Hall One, King's Place, London, England

    07/02/2014
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Bruckner Orchester Linz
    Conductor: Daniel Spaw
    Stadttheater, Wels, Austria

    14/02/2014
    Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra
    NDR Sinfonieorchester - Damen des NDR Chores
    Conductor: Brad Lubman
    Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany

    15/02/2014
    Három Weöres-dal (Three songs based on texts by Sándor Weöres for voice and piano)
    NDR Chor
    Conductor: Philipp Ahmann
    Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany

    22/02/2014
    Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
    Ensemble intercontemporain
    Conductor: Pablo Heras-Casado
    Auditorium, Salle Dutilleux, Bordeaux, France

    25/02/2014
    Musica ricercata per pianoforte
    Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg

    04/03/2014
    String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
    Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg

    05/03/2014
    String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
    Wigmore Hall, London, England

    06.03.0214
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau
    Conductor: Tobias Engeli
    Neue Welt, Zwickau, Germany

    07/03/2014
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau
    Conductor: Tobias Engeli
    Vogtlandtheater, Plauen, Germany

    15/03/2014
    Hungarian Rock
    Chaconne
    Poème Symphonique
    Conductor: Peter Eötvös
    Auditorium Rainier III, Monte Carlo, Monaco

    20/03/2014
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Milton Court Concert Hall, London, England

    21/03/2014
    Melodies for Orchestra
    Bamberger Symphoniker
    Conductor: Jonathan Nott
    Forum, Leverkusen, Germany

    25/03/2014
    Continuum
    Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany

    06/04/2014
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Musiikkitalo, Helsinki, Finland

    10.04.0214
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Nordische Botschaften, Felleshus, Berlin, Germany

    11/04/2014
    Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
    Ensemble intercontemporain
    Conductor: Bruno Mantovani
    Cité de la musique, Salle des concerts, Paris, France

    12/04/2014
    Continuum
    Two Studies for Organ
    Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
    Nationaltheater, München, Germany

    19/04/2014
    Atmosphères for large orchestra
    Berliner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Simon Rattle
    Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany

    20/04/2014
    Atmosphères for large orchestra
    Berliner Philharmoniker
    Conductor: Simon Rattle
    Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany

    01/05/2014
    Atmosphères for large orchestra
    SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
    Conductor: Mariss Jansons
    Philharmonie, Munich, Germany

    01/05/2014
    Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre")
    Asko|Schönberg Ensemble
    Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw
    Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands

    01/05/2014
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Lontano for large Orchestra
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
    Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
    Rheingoldhalle, Mainz, Germany

    02/05/2014
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
    Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
    Graf-Zeppelin-Haus, Friedrichshafen, Germany

    02/05/2014
    Atmosphères for large orchestra
    SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
    Conductor: Mariss Jansons
    Philharmonie, Munich, Germany

    03/05/2014
    Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra
    Bamberger Symphoniker - SWR Vokalensemble Stuttgart
    Conductor: Jonathan Nott
    Philharmonie, Köln, Germany

    04/05/2014
    San Francisco Polyphony
    WDR Sinfonieorchester Köln
    Conductor: Jonathan Stockhammer
    Philharmonie, Köln, Germany

    07/05/2014
    Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
    Ensemble intercontemporain
    Conductor: Matthias Pintscher
    Philharmonie, Köln, Germany

    09/05/2014
    Concert Românesc for Orchestra
    Lontano for large Orchestra
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
    Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
    Konzerthaus, Freiburg, Germany

    11.05.0214
    Lontano for large Orchestra
    SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
    Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
    Philharmonie, Köln, Germany

    14/05/2014
    Atmosphères for large Orchestra
    Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie
    Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro
    Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany

    15/05/2014
    Atmosphères for large Orchestra
    Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie
    Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro
    Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany

    18/05/2014
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Turm der Ginsburg, Hilchenbach, Germany

    18/05/2014
    Atmosphères for large orchestra
    SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
    Conductor: Mariss Jansons
    Carnegie Hall, New York, USA

    29/05/2014
    Études pour piano Premier livre
    Études pour piano Deuxième livre
    Études pour piano Troisième livre, cahier I
    Wigmore Hall, London, England

    05/06/2014
    Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
    Staatstheater, Darmstadt, Germany

    26/06/2014
    Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
    Stuttgarter Kammerorchester
    Conductor: Matthias Foremny
    Liederhalle, Stuttgart, Germany

    05/07/2014
    Continuum
    Two Studies for Organ
    Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
    Nationaltheater, München, Germany

     
     Posted:   Nov 11, 2013 - 8:14 PM   
     By:   George Komar   (Member)

    Yes, but only one concert outside of Europe (in Carnegie Hall), featuring the relatively familiar (to U.S. audiences) orchestral work Atmosphères, and played not by an American orchestra, but by a German orchestra (SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks).

    Ligeti remains very much a European phenomenon.

     
     
     Posted:   Nov 12, 2013 - 6:04 AM   
     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

    Yes, that struck me too. And only a handful of European countries outside of Germany. The same thing would likely hold true for other modernist composers. One factor may be the different modes of support for the performing arts. In many European countries there is substantial government funding of orchestras. That's a good thing in many ways, but it does mean that he who controls the funding can also attempt to control the cultural agenda. The American system, for good and for ill, relies more on private support and therefore on pleasing a popular audience.

     
     Posted:   Nov 12, 2013 - 4:04 PM   
     By:   ToneRow   (Member)

    Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.
    ...
  • Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006


    Whatever you say.
    Though I consider Ligeti more a Romanian composer than Hungarian since he was born and studied in Transylvania.


    Aha ... so Loren infers that Ligeti will not be remembered as a Hungarian. smile

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     Posted:   Nov 13, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

    Of background interest here, and perhaps not well known for most Americans today: Hungary, which suffered from bad governments for most of the 20th century and managed to be on the losing side of both world wars, lost more than two thirds of its historic territory in the Treaty of Trianon (1920). The historic Kingdom of Hungary embraced much of what is now Romania as well as parts of Slovakia, Ukraine, and Croatia.Transylvania is today part of Romania.

     
     Posted:   Nov 13, 2013 - 2:31 PM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    well, I know who will be the best remembered JEWISH Hungarian composer
    (no, t'aint Mike)
    smile
    bruce

     
     Posted:   Nov 13, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
     By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

    Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.
    ...
  • Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006


    Whatever you say.
    Though I consider Ligeti more a Romanian composer than Hungarian since he was born and studied in Transylvania.


    He was a vampire too!

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