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 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I don't wish to tread on anyone's toes with this topic, but Henry's tantalising comment on the below thread regarding Elfman has left me intrigued. Very intrigued.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96202&forumID=1&archive=0

If Henry doesn't wish to elaborate for whatever reasons then that of course is his prerogative, but I would sure welcome any further comments from Elfman fans.

Elfman doesn't compose all his own stuff, just hums it? Uses multiple co-writers? Isn't a nice man? Isn't from this planet? What can Henry be keeping us all in suspense about?...

Any thoughts?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You may want to consider changing the title. I thought you were talking about Ennio Morricone.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Okay, you meant OUR Morricone and not Italy's Morricone wink
That confused me.
I know many people - probably his naysayers - have long argued he needs lots of help in writing, arranging and orchestrating his scores, but the undeniable evidence in his favour is that ALL the scores I have heard by him have one thing in common...they all sound like Elfman scores. His unqiue and individual voice can be heard throughout them.
If you want a hummer, David Arnold admitted such an act in an old MFTM issue when passing themes onto Nicholas Dodd.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

You may want to consider changing the title. I thought you were talking about Ennio Morricone.

LOL me too smile

So much for the mortal kombat Morricone VS Elfman round. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't wish to tread on anyone's toes with this topic, but Henry's tantalising comment on the below thread regarding Elfman has left me intrigued. Very intrigued.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=96202&forumID=1&archive=0

If Henry doesn't wish to elaborate for whatever reasons then that of course is his prerogative, but I would sure welcome any further comments from Elfman fans.

Elfman doesn't compose all his own stuff, just hums it? Uses multiple co-writers? Isn't a nice man? Isn't from this planet? What can Henry be keeping us all in suspense about?...

Any thoughts?


Henry prefers to be mysterious on the issue, I guess.

However, the 'hummer' allegation was thrown away in the early 90's at the latest, so it can't be that. We're probably just making it worse by speculating on what he meant.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

He has already stated - in another thread, can't remember which one - that Edgardo Simone should be getting the Music by credit instead of Elfman, so he obviously believes something untoward is going on.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2013 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The Henry I know wouldn't say stuff like that, but I don't know. I won't speculate further.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2013 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Bump.

I want to know what the deal is here.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2013 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

YOR tought that master Ennio Morricone was bashing Oingoboingo!

But it is not him, but someone called "Henry".

Very confusing, YOR can say.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I'm intrigued too, but it looks like the FSM Morricone has decided to elaborate no further.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

He has already stated - in another thread, can't remember which one - that Edgardo Simone should be getting the Music by credit instead of Elfman, so he obviously believes something untoward is going on.

Elfman didn't even start working with him until 10 years into his scoring career, and it's not as if he's been involved with every Elfman score since then.

I would have thought the release of Elfman's demos would have put an end to these discussions but apparently not.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Elfman is a film music veteran. If he was bogus don't you think he would have been found out by now?

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Elfman is a film music veteran. If he was bogus don't you think he would have been found out by now?

Hans Zimmer still is.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

I can't believe stuff like this still has a pulse. mad

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Whooooooo CARES!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Whooooooo CARES!

I do! And others who don't want the wool pulled over their eyes do.

Personally I don't think those rumours are true but the bottom line is I really don't know and the seeds of doubt are planted, like it or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Elfman is a film music veteran. If he was bogus don't you think he would have been found out by now?

Hans Zimmer still is.


tsk tsk! Very naughty Lokutus.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   knowitallsareidiotic   (Member)

Whooooooo CARES!

I do! And others who don't want the wool pulled over their eyes do.

Personally I don't think those rumours are true but the bottom line is I really don't know and the seeds of doubt are planted, like it or not.


Here's a suggestion: Don't buy his music!

What is with some of these so-called "fans" in our community who bash and put down anybody or anything they deem unworthy. Enough.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I do! And others who don't want the wool pulled over their eyes do.

Personally I don't think those rumours are true but the bottom line is I really don't know and the seeds of doubt are planted, like it or not.


Let me ask you something: If you were Danny Elfman, and you really cared to disprove this rumor for the sake of internet fans, how exactly would you go about doing that? Would you compose a piece of music live in front of us? And even then, wouldn't some insist it had been pre-composed by somebody else?

These rumors have dogged Elfman ever since he started composing for film. Many would say that where there's smoke, there's fire. But I believe that a lot of people were just irked that a rock musician could come out of nowhere and compose blockbuster orchestral scores. It had to be somebody else!

At first, many insisted that Shirley Walker was the real composer of Elfman's scores (though at the time, Walker had no more credits to point to than Elfman). Obviously, Walker is not composing anything now. So over the years, there have been various other composers said to be doing the real composing.

Of course, John Williams was a jazz pianist, Howard Shore was bandleader for "Saturday Night Live," John Barry was an arranger and trumpet player, and yet somehow they all became film composers, too. There's no magic to it. Everybody was something before he was a film composer. But being a rocker who moves to orchestral writing is apparently just too suspicious.

I work in the entertainment industry, and nobody I know (including composers) subscribes to this conspiracy theory. (One composer told me he hates Elfman's music, and that his hatred is pure because he knows Elfman writes it!)

Ultimately, if these seeds of doubt are planted in you, there's not a whole lot that can be done to unplant them.

The question is, do you like the music? And if so, what does it matter who composed it? Just enjoy it.

 
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