Finally got around to play this. All I can say is that I hardly played the Varese expansion. This new set really gains on you with more improved dynamic sound. Analogue source really has brought out the best and Bruce was right on his mark all along. Kudos to James Nelson for the restoration. Goldsmith was really bold to infuse electronics along with a similar toned project like WARLOCK- and it works great on both of them. Thanks again for resurrecting this fine Goldsmith score. (For those who missed out, they can still nab a copy of this 2CD set on Amazon.com marketplace)
Agreed. Finally watched the movie so I could get the visuals with Jerry's score. Some things about the film worked well, especially the creepy villain (sorry, at work, forget his name). Ultimately, the film itself didn't work for me but it's a wonderful score.
Finally got around to play this. All I can say is that I hardly played the Varese expansion. This new set really gains on you with more improved dynamic sound. Analogue source really has brought out the best and Bruce was right on his mark all along. Kudos to James Nelson for the restoration. Goldsmith was really bold to infuse electronics along with a similar toned project like WARLOCK- and it works great on both of them. Thanks again for resurrecting this fine Goldsmith score. (For those who missed out, they can still nab a copy of this 2CD set on Amazon.com marketplace)
Agreed. Finally watched the movie so I could get the visuals with Jerry's score. Some things about the film worked well, especially the creepy villain (sorry, at work, forget his name). Ultimately, the film itself didn't work for me but it's a wonderful score.
The man who played the villain was Julian Beck. He totally made that movie. And Goldsmith! And it's too bad that Heather O'Rourke died so young, she would be interesting to see today and what she would bring to movies.
I've only heard this release digitally...do the liner notes say anything about the film version of "The Worm" featuring choir in the beginning? The film clearly uses a take with choral accompaniment, as you can hear here:
It also seems parts of the "Reaching Out" sequence feature choir
Any chance of this score being revisited in the future? I'd love to get my hands on clean film takes as well as anything else that may be able to be dug up!
I've only heard this release digitally...do the liner notes say anything about the film version of "The Worm" featuring choir in the beginning? The film clearly uses a take with choral accompaniment, as you can hear here:
It also seems parts of the "Reaching Out" sequence feature choir
Any chance of this score being revisited in the future? I'd love to get my hands on clean film takes as well as anything else that may be able to be dug up!
You've only heard this release digitally? How so? And apparently you know nothing about this release or you'd know there'd be no reason to "revisit" this in the future and I have no idea what you mean by "clean film takes" - we dug up everything there was to dig that had been left off the other releases. What on earth does clean film takes mean anyway, seriously? What do you think we did, use dirty film takes?
I think there is some slight editing in the film with "The Worm," in regards to the choir when dad drinks down the tequila. And "The Past" has a bit of alteration during it's beginning with part of another cue layed on top. It's just what my ear has picked up through the years, while watching the movie. The Kritzerland release is clearly complete and with great sound! It's just that the movie has subtle differences editorially. But the music is all there on the CD.
Yeah I think four releases are enough for this one. The Kritzerland edition closed the book on this score. Any differences you are hearing are just edits - the climax was all changed around at the last minute with effects being cut and rearranged.
Haineshisway wrote: (...) there'd be no reason to "revisit" this in the future (...) - we dug up everything there was to dig that had been left off the other releases.
^ ^ This.
Kritzerland's release of Poltergeist II is just fantastic, with marvelous sounding and full musical content.
I've only heard this release digitally...do the liner notes say anything about the film version of "The Worm" featuring choir in the beginning? The film clearly uses a take with choral accompaniment, as you can hear here:
It also seems parts of the "Reaching Out" sequence feature choir
Any chance of this score being revisited in the future? I'd love to get my hands on clean film takes as well as anything else that may be able to be dug up!
You've only heard this release digitally? How so? And apparently you know nothing about this release or you'd know there'd be no reason to "revisit" this in the future and I have no idea what you mean by "clean film takes" - we dug up everything there was to dig that had been left off the other releases. What on earth does clean film takes mean anyway, seriously? What do you think we did, use dirty film takes?
Yes, digitally. Much of the complete score has been on youtube and elsewhere for a long while. And obviously I don't know much about the release seeing as I'm ASKING THE QUESTION! What I mean by "clean takes" is individual cues, not combined as they are on this and previous albums.
As to my issue at hand you didn't answer my question. The choir featured in the film mix is clearly not just an editing trick (to my ears at least) and I'm curious as to why they weren't included. Were they simply mixed out for some reason? Are they unavailable overlays? Etc.
I've only heard this release digitally...do the liner notes say anything about the film version of "The Worm" featuring choir in the beginning? The film clearly uses a take with choral accompaniment, as you can hear here:
It also seems parts of the "Reaching Out" sequence feature choir
Any chance of this score being revisited in the future? I'd love to get my hands on clean film takes as well as anything else that may be able to be dug up!
You've only heard this release digitally? How so? And apparently you know nothing about this release or you'd know there'd be no reason to "revisit" this in the future and I have no idea what you mean by "clean film takes" - we dug up everything there was to dig that had been left off the other releases. What on earth does clean film takes mean anyway, seriously? What do you think we did, use dirty film takes?
Yes, digitally. Much of the complete score has been on youtube and elsewhere for a long while. And obviously I don't know much about the release seeing as I'm ASKING THE QUESTION! What I mean by "clean takes" is individual cues, not combined as they are on this and previous albums.
As to my issue at hand you didn't answer my question. The choir featured in the film mix is clearly not just an editing trick (to my ears at least) and I'm curious as to why they weren't included. Were they simply mixed out for some reason? Are they unavailable overlays? Etc.
Mixed out of WHAT? We included with choir, without choir, we included the choir on its own - is it really hard to just look at the contents of our album? When you say much of the score is on You Tube and elsewhere, are you speaking of our specific release because if you are you need to name these places because we will have them contacted as they are not allowed to do this, not that you didn't know that. What you clearly don't know is much about our specific release. Every note of the score is on our TWO CD set. If the film version didn't have the choir or did have the choir, those cues are presented BOTH ways. So, I don't know what you've heard digitally, but I'm not sure it was THIS release.
It was certainly THIS release. Album version of "The Worm" has the choir at 6:40, the film version does not. Both versions exist on your album. However, what I've heard on the "Film Version" on your album does not contain choir from :34-:56 in the same exact cue which is what is present in the film (as shown in the clip I've posted). Hence my curiosity.
I think the poster is referring to the way it sounds in the film, which in some cases is quite different. The opening bars of "the Worm" have way more prominent choir. I am concvinced that it's an editing choice made in the movie's final mix.
It is true that the film version of the Worm does have choir in these places (at indicated time stamps); just not at the end.
I think the poster is referring to the way it sounds in the film, which in some cases is quite different. The opening bars of "the Worm" have way more prominent choir. I am concvinced that it's an editing choice made in the movie's final mix.
It is true that the film version of the Worm does have choir in these places (at indicated time stamps); just not at the end.
-Rick O.
Prominent is a mixing choice - we were not trying to recreate what they did for the film itself, which would have been nonsense. I'm still not understanding what any of you are saying. We had the recordings as recorded with the choir singing wherever they sang. We did not leave them out if they were singing, except whatever we did on the alternates on CD 2. If the choir was singing they're somewhere on our CD so if you're saying somehow they added the choir where they were never singing on the track, I don't really get that, but I suppose anything is possible. We released exactly what Mr. Goldsmith wrote and recorded and then when there was a difference between film version and recorded version we stuck those on the other way when possible. I just don't get any of this, frankly. It's minutiae of the highest order - are we really talking about twenty SECONDS of choir here? Again, I'm only telling you that we released every single second of what was on the scoring masters along with a slew of alternate stuff. There are times when you just want to give up and not do this stuff anymore - but we don't because MOST folks understand and appreciate that they now have a complete version of the score in pristine sound.
I think the poster is referring to the way it sounds in the film, which in some cases is quite different. The opening bars of "the Worm" have way more prominent choir. I am concvinced that it's an editing choice made in the movie's final mix.
It is true that the film version of the Worm does have choir in these places (at indicated time stamps); just not at the end.
-Rick O.
Prominent is a mixing choice - we were not trying to recreate what they did for the film itself, which would have been nonsense. I'm still not understanding what any of you are saying. We had the recordings as recorded with the choir singing wherever they sang. We did not leave them out if they were singing, except whatever we did on the alternates on CD 2. If the choir was singing they're somewhere on our CD so if you're saying somehow they added the choir where they were never singing on the track, I don't really get that, but I suppose anything is possible. We released exactly what Mr. Goldsmith wrote and recorded and then when there was a difference between film version and recorded version we stuck those on the other way when possible. I just don't get any of this, frankly. It's minutiae of the highest order - are we really talking about twenty SECONDS of choir here? Again, I'm only telling you that we released every single second of what was on the scoring masters along with a slew of alternate stuff. There are times when you just want to give up and not do this stuff anymore - but we don't because MOST folks understand and appreciate that they now have a complete version of the score in pristine sound.
So no source you had featured choir as it appears in the film...all you had to say dude, this isn't that big an issue. If you want to give up based on what you presume is negative feedback (was never negative) then maybe you should! Thanks for answering my questions, as long as the process was.
I think the poster is referring to the way it sounds in the film, which in some cases is quite different. The opening bars of "the Worm" have way more prominent choir. I am concvinced that it's an editing choice made in the movie's final mix.
It is true that the film version of the Worm does have choir in these places (at indicated time stamps); just not at the end.
-Rick O.
Prominent is a mixing choice - we were not trying to recreate what they did for the film itself, which would have been nonsense. I'm still not understanding what any of you are saying. We had the recordings as recorded with the choir singing wherever they sang. We did not leave them out if they were singing, except whatever we did on the alternates on CD 2. If the choir was singing they're somewhere on our CD so if you're saying somehow they added the choir where they were never singing on the track, I don't really get that, but I suppose anything is possible. We released exactly what Mr. Goldsmith wrote and recorded and then when there was a difference between film version and recorded version we stuck those on the other way when possible. I just don't get any of this, frankly. It's minutiae of the highest order - are we really talking about twenty SECONDS of choir here? Again, I'm only telling you that we released every single second of what was on the scoring masters along with a slew of alternate stuff. There are times when you just want to give up and not do this stuff anymore - but we don't because MOST folks understand and appreciate that they now have a complete version of the score in pristine sound.
So no source you had featured choir as it appears in the film...all you had to say dude, this isn't that big an issue. If you want to give up based on what you presume is negative feedback (was never negative) then maybe you should! Thanks for answering my questions, as long as the process was.
Oh, was that negative feedback, dude? Since you don't actually own our album I don't think it was any kind of feedback at all. I simply did not understand your point - and when that point was finally pointed out to me, it made no sense to me since I had already told you we'd put out the score as recorded along with variations on the second disc, every not of music written and recorded and tried to give fans every iteration of every cue - but as all labels have discovered, there's always something that was edited or adjusted in the film itself that was jimmied up by some editor somewhere. I don't know what to tell you. We made what 100% of the people I've seen post about this release and who actually own the disc think is definitive. I'll go along with that, dude. I hope you don't presume this is negative feedback, and that the process wasn't too long for you. If I gave up, dude, there would be an awful lot of disappointed soundtrack fans here on the FSM board, especially those Golden Age fans, dude.
I did buy this release, and I love it! It does sound absolutely spectacular. Although I do prefer the liner notes from the Intrada release better (as it focuses on the music in relation to the scenes), I do appreciate the rare film stills and shots within the Kriterland booklet. It's really too bad this release couldn't have been non limited. Cheers.
