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 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   eeyore101059   (Member)

When, oh when, are they ever going to release a remastered edition of "The Outlaw Josey Wales"?
The versions available are fragmented, at best. This is my holy grail and I wish the rights holder would get around to getting it out there. Okay, now I've vented.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

When, oh when, are they ever going to release a remastered edition of "The Outlaw Josey Wales"?
The versions available are fragmented, at best. This is my holy grail and I wish the rights holder would get around to getting it out there. Okay, now I've vented.


I totally agree that this needs to be done. My favorite Fielding after THE WILD BUNCH.
I wouldn't call the extant releases "Fragmented" though. The SAE archival release is pretty complete, but it could use remastering with better sound. OOP and expensive though. Also, it would be nice to have the album and film versions together on one release. The album versions are a bit different but nice to have. Unfortunately, there has not been a CD release of the LP that I'm aware of (maybe something from Japan?)

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I don't know the score, but I know the march cue with the flutes and drums, and it's fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

That march is out of this world, let's hope it happens.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

That march is out of this world, let's hope it happens.

Ditto! I have the SAE version but would buy a remastered and more complete release in a heartbeat.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

As has been mentioned on a couple of threads and always to the surprise of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES fans, the main title march is NOT an original Fielding composition. It is an authentic Civil War era (or earlier) march called "Old 1812". You can hear it briefly as source music in GLORY(the film, not on the CD) as well.
Here it is being played by some Civil War reenactors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKv-V9klz3E

Of course, it is the splendid Fielding arrangement that makes this cue.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:38 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

As has been mentioned on a couple of threads and always to the surprise of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES fans, the main title march is NOT an original Fielding composition. It is an authentic Civil War era (or earlier) march called "Old 1812". You can hear it briefly as source music in GLORY(the film, not on the CD) as well.
Here it is being played by some Civil War reenactors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKv-V9klz3E

Of course, it is the splendid Fielding arrangement that makes this cue.


Or perhaps it was a splendid Lennie Niehaus arrangement? Niehaus is credited with orchestrations for this one. Either way, it's a knockout.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

In a previous thread, someone mention that Intrada is working on releasing that title.
We have no details about the project from Intrada yet.
As with "Patton" in late December, Intrada used to release a big set with the original recording and the album version.

I HAD TO COME BACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Oa2tLrWqY

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I'd think if it's coming it'll be from Intrada. Clint Eastwood's company, Malpaso owns the rights, & Intrada have already dealt with them with the release of Escape From Alcatraz. But things seem to take a long time going through Intrada (I suppose becouse of so many releases). I think (I'm not sure) that the SAE release is from the composers own tapes, so an Intrada release remastered from the session tapes could maybe sound better. I had the SAE release in my hand in a London shop about 12 years ago, but it looked so much like a bootleg that I didn't buy it!

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

...march called "Old 1812". You can hear it briefly as source music in GLORY(the film, not on the CD) as well.

A bit imprecise. Actually you can listen to it in the CD:


Of course, it is the splendid Fielding arrangement that makes this cue.

On this I agree. It's a matter more of arrangement, in which Fielding is the best, than of orchestration.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

In a previous thread, someone mention that Intrada is working on releasing that title.
We have no details about the project from Intrada


I have no fear, this great score is coming sooner or later from the best sources available. But I only hope they do not forget to release Junior Bonner, too!

EDIT
Roger's response:

"Not anymore. I took another run at it. The problem is it's a short score and the only available elements were 1/4" mono stored at BYU. And BYU raised their transfer rates 10 fold, making the deal financially out of reach. We had the same issue with FUNERAL HOME -- really high costs, but in that case due to the Canadian Musician's Union. But that was a decent length score coming from 24-track stereo elements so we were able to charge a premium price (and thank you all, still, for supporting that release even with the high price tag). And that will be the last score recorded in Canada we do."

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

As has been mentioned on a couple of threads and always to the surprise of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES fans, the main title march is NOT an original Fielding composition. It is an authentic Civil War era (or earlier) march called "Old 1812". You can hear it briefly as source music in GLORY(the film, not on the CD) as well.
Here it is being played by some Civil War reenactors.



Of course, it is the splendid Fielding arrangement that makes this cue.



There are actually TWO period marches incorporated into that march.


In relation to the use of 'The Old 1812' for Josey Wales, here you'll find a medley of Civil War marches which includes ANOTHER march Fielding used in the same title.

Listen here at 01:37, and you'll hear the second tune that follows on as a trio middle eight for the '1812'.... the poster doesn't identify the name of this tune though:



So if anyone knows the name of the second tune, do tell.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Roger has just chimed in over at the Intrada' forums about whether or not they are doing it:

"I wish!"

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

In relation to my post above, it seems the second link I posted to YouTube no longer operates. The poster seemingly deleted that video. I simply copied'n'pasted from this thread where I previously identified it:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=76990&forumID=1&archive=0

So I'll need to hunt for the other tune. Suffice it to say that Fielding's march is based on TWO tunes.

JF is of course a wonderful composer, but it's another testament to the frustrations of the film composer's life that people rave about a certain piece in a score that, after all, he didn't compose at all, merely selected. He'd surely feel wry about that.

As regards his arrangement, that's largely a matter of where you place the bass drum, on downbeats, or on unpredictable crossbeats in the bar. It's also a matter of how closely you mike the percussion and which drum gets placed uppermost in the mix. Fielding's real skill is shown elsewhere in the score, as with for example his 'Rose of Alabamy' variations on strings.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Aha!

For some unfathomable reason, the embedded link doesn't work, but the straight URL does, the video is still there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO2lONko9Wk&feature=related

So listen in at the 1:47 point, and you'll hear the second march tune that Fielding put in the title music AFTER the 'Old 1812'. The whole piece here is called the 'Oyster River Medley', but that one tune isn't identified.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

I had the SAE release in my hand in a London shop about 12 years ago, but it looked so much like a bootleg that I didn't buy it!

DOH! eek

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

In relation to my post above, it seems the second link I posted to YouTube no longer operates. The poster seemingly deleted that video. I simply copied'n'pasted from this thread where I previously identified it:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=76990&forumID=1&archive=0

So I'll need to hunt for the other tune. Suffice it to say that Fielding's march is based on TWO tunes.

JF is of course a wonderful composer, but it's another testament to the frustrations of the film composer's life that people rave about a certain piece in a score that, after all, he didn't compose at all, merely selected. He'd surely feel wry about that.

As regards his arrangement, that's largely a matter of where you place the bass drum, on downbeats, or on unpredictable crossbeats in the bar. It's also a matter of how closely you mike the percussion and which drum gets placed uppermost in the mix. Fielding's real skill is shown elsewhere in the score, as with for example his 'Rose of Alabamy' variations on strings.


I would agree that 'Rose of Alabamy' is at the heart of the score. I adore that scene at the end, when Josie says 'I reckon we all died a little in that damned war' and then Fletcher (pretending that he doesn't recognize Wales, kind of lets him go, although he is wounded). It's a great scene, and Fielding just lets the music touch it almost subliminaly.

As regards the march, I've always appreciated the connection it has (in my mind at least) with the marches played by those professional drum corps of the 1970's. Such as the Wyoming Troopers or the Star Of Indiana for instance. The march has that really quick tempo of a drum corps march, even quicker than the usual College band, and much much faster than an actual military band.

As for CD releases, that's was sad news that Roger had. I have the SAE CD, but the music is in such tiny fragments, that I would really just like a CD of the old Warner recording (what I'm used to). Of course I have the movie DVD on my shelf as well, which I probably spin a bit more than I do the music only disc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

...march called "Old 1812". You can hear it briefly as source music in GLORY(the film, not on the CD) as well.

A bit imprecise. Actually you can listen to it in the CD:


Of course, it is the splendid Fielding arrangement that makes this cue.

On this I agree. It's a matter more of arrangement, in which Fielding is the best, than of orchestration.


Oops! Guess that shows how long its been since I listened to my GLORY cd. smile

And you are right, Loren, as I stated it's the Fielding arrangement (which is not the same as orchestration) which makes the cue. I can't speak from any inside knowledge, but based on that consistant "Fielding sound", he was also one of those composers who left his orchestrators with very little to do.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)


There are actually TWO period marches incorporated into that march.


Listen here at 01:37, and you'll hear the second tune that follows on as a trio middle eight for the '1812'.... the poster doesn't identify the name of this tune though:



So if anyone knows the name of the second tune, do tell.


I've never been able to identify the march used in the middle section of Fielding's Main Title. I've found it used in some reenactor videos like the one posted, but never found an ID.

Just to confuse the issue, there may be THREE marches. The first march that I identified as "The Old 1812" may actually be a combination of 2 marches as well, "The Old 1812" and "Welcome Here Again". There do seem to be two distinct but closely related themes there. Here is a discussion of that by fife and drum players:

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?27576-Old-1812

Also, the GETTYSBURG 2-CD Deluxe Edition soundtrack has a cue of that march listed as "Welcome Home Again/Old 1812". It's a straight rendition of the march (without the mysterious middle section trio).

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Just to confuse the issue, there may be THREE marches. The first march that I identified as "The Old 1812" may actually be a combination of 2 marches as well, "The Old 1812" and "Welcome Here Again". There do seem to be two distinct but closely related themes there. Here is a discussion of that by fife and drum players:

http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?27576-Old-1812




Thanks for the info. As regards the WHA/O1812 thing, those two seem to have the same melody, but different midsections, so you can see why a band would alternate them in one.

I'm wondering if 'Welcome Here Again' was actually a song version that had lyrics at one time, and the melody adjusted to fit?

As regards the mysterious second tune, all you can say is that it's Irish, so hunting through Irish folktunes might yield the result. Fielding has spotted how totally compatible with the Old 1812 it is, they sound like a continuum.

 
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