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The Search For Spock is a good film. Not the best of the Treks. But well made. Well acted etc etc...
Alien versus Predator: Requiem on the other hand
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Jul 6, 2013 - 9:18 AM
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mastadge
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I'm not really sure how to answer this. There are plenty of sequels I don't want to see . . . so I don't watch them. Then there are the sequels that I don't want to see . . . but don't mind that they're coming, because I'm looking forward to the score (case in point: Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters). Then there are the sequels that aren't really sequels at all (Havoc 2).
Some of the worst cases in sequels, I think:
- Bad sequels to a movie or series you like that you liked (ex: the SW prequels, where each was worse than the last but I couldn't not see them).
- Sequels that don't deliver on the promise of earlier films (ex: Final Destination, where the first sequel expanded impressively on the premise of the original, and then the second and third sequels didn't go anywhere with it and kept reiterating the same old)
- Sequels whose returns have diminished (ex: Paranormal Activity -- the first scared the crap out of people, the second was fine, and then #s 3 and 4 merely repeated the same antics without going anywhere)
- Sequels that completely miss the point of what came before (ex: A Good Day to Die Hard, which apparently missed the whole discussion in the previous film of what makes John "that guy" and instead made him just a thug who gets off on killing scumbags).
- Sequels that don't bother maintaining continuity with the originals (ex: Highlander 2. ex: Scorpion King 2, which blatantly contradicts The Scorpion King for no good reason (I don't mean to pick on Mulcahy; other directors have done this too, and Scorpion King 2 was in fact superior for a DTV film and, in some ways, better than the original, although sadly lacking The Rock's charisma)
- Sequels that make lazy visual references to originals (ex: Temple of Doom takes place before Raiders, so the gag where Indy goes for the gun when faced with a swordsman doesn't really work) (ex 2: the scenes on the Engineer ship in Prometheus that are basically a direct visual link to Alien even though it takes place on a different planet come across as very awkward to me)
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Probably the worst: Beyond the Poseidon Adventure.
Runners-up included Baby Geniuses 2, Home Alone 2, Dumb and Dumberer, Airport '79: The Concorde, Halloween 2 (and 3 and 4 and 5 ...), The Amityville Horror 2, The Mask 2: Son of the Mask.
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As much as I looked forward to "Empire" when I was a kid I will add Star Wars to the list. Star Wars was a perfect self contained film. Introduction of a young hero, becomes a man, and one can surmise they all lived happily ever after in the end. (If nothing else the tide was turning for the rebels and the outcome apparent.) This also avoids all the weird family dynamics revealed in Empire and Jedi like Luke lusting for his sister, and Vader being his Father. 
Hmmm, personally I think that EMPIRE was not only a hugely successful sequel to the original Star Wars (and feels much less antiquated and "cute" today), but actually the best of all six SW entries, and by a wide margin, too. It embraced the serial philosophy much more than the first film, the family dynamics were intriguing ("I am your father" entered folklore), the special effects waaaayyyyyy better, too, the acting more assured, the score MUCH more interesting and colorful.
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Jul 7, 2013 - 10:50 AM
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Dyfrynt
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Really have to go with Mastadge here. It is a cheat not because it is another wrecked alien ship. It is a cheat because it looks exactly like the wreck from Alien. They look identical, so it is natural to assume it is indeed the same wreckage.
To then be told "Well it may look just like that other wreckage, but it is actually another wreckage that just happened to have crashed and came to a stop looking exactly like the original ship". It is asking too much.
I have the feeling, with absolutely nothing to back it up, that when the movie was filming this was the original wreck from Alien, which is why it looks just like the ship from Alien. But somewhere along the way, and for some reason known only to the production people, it was decided that it wasn't the same ship after all.
It's the same problem with the AbramsPrise. During filming the ship was designed originally to be a bit larger than the STTMP Enterprise. The saucer section is practically an exact match for TMP Enterprise. Everything is in scale. But somewhere along the way, Abrams decided that was too small and arbitrarily decided that his Enterprise was actually the size of the Enterprise E!
Resulting in all kinds of problems. The bridge viewport as shown from both the inside and the outside is one deck tall. But if the saucer is ten times larger, the viewport should be 5 stories tall. And that is just one tiny example of how the scale is off.
As with Prometheus, you can ask a lot of the audience, and they will go along. But there comes a point when it is just too ridiculous to accept.
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