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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Star Trek 3 The Search For Spock. Star Trek 2 had one of the most meaningful deaths of a major character in cinema history. Reviving Spock in SFS just cheapens WOK a bit. Sad to see them go in such a predictable direction. If Spock had to come back I would have made him a "Jedi Spirit" or something.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

The Search For Spock is a good film. Not the best of the Treks. But well made. Well acted etc etc...

Alien versus Predator: Requiem on the other hand

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I'm not really sure how to answer this. There are plenty of sequels I don't want to see . . . so I don't watch them. Then there are the sequels that I don't want to see . . . but don't mind that they're coming, because I'm looking forward to the score (case in point: Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters). Then there are the sequels that aren't really sequels at all (Havoc 2).

Some of the worst cases in sequels, I think:

- Bad sequels to a movie or series you like that you liked (ex: the SW prequels, where each was worse than the last but I couldn't not see them).

- Sequels that don't deliver on the promise of earlier films (ex: Final Destination, where the first sequel expanded impressively on the premise of the original, and then the second and third sequels didn't go anywhere with it and kept reiterating the same old)

- Sequels whose returns have diminished (ex: Paranormal Activity -- the first scared the crap out of people, the second was fine, and then #s 3 and 4 merely repeated the same antics without going anywhere)

- Sequels that completely miss the point of what came before (ex: A Good Day to Die Hard, which apparently missed the whole discussion in the previous film of what makes John "that guy" and instead made him just a thug who gets off on killing scumbags).

- Sequels that don't bother maintaining continuity with the originals (ex: Highlander 2. ex: Scorpion King 2, which blatantly contradicts The Scorpion King for no good reason (I don't mean to pick on Mulcahy; other directors have done this too, and Scorpion King 2 was in fact superior for a DTV film and, in some ways, better than the original, although sadly lacking The Rock's charisma)

- Sequels that make lazy visual references to originals (ex: Temple of Doom takes place before Raiders, so the gag where Indy goes for the gun when faced with a swordsman doesn't really work) (ex 2: the scenes on the Engineer ship in Prometheus that are basically a direct visual link to Alien even though it takes place on a different planet come across as very awkward to me)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   tex1272   (Member)

HOME ALONE2.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Probably the worst: Beyond the Poseidon Adventure.

Runners-up included Baby Geniuses 2, Home Alone 2, Dumb and Dumberer, Airport '79: The Concorde, Halloween 2 (and 3 and 4 and 5 ...), The Amityville Horror 2, The Mask 2: Son of the Mask.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

As much as I looked forward to "Empire" when I was a kid I will add Star Wars to the list. Star Wars was a perfect self contained film. Introduction of a young hero, becomes a man, and one can surmise they all lived happily ever after in the end. (If nothing else the tide was turning for the rebels and the outcome apparent.) This also avoids all the weird family dynamics revealed in Empire and Jedi like Luke lusting for his sister, and Vader being his Father. eek

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"The Godfather: Part III"

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

As much as I looked forward to "Empire" when I was a kid I will add Star Wars to the list. Star Wars was a perfect self contained film. Introduction of a young hero, becomes a man, and one can surmise they all lived happily ever after in the end. (If nothing else the tide was turning for the rebels and the outcome apparent.) This also avoids all the weird family dynamics revealed in Empire and Jedi like Luke lusting for his sister, and Vader being his Father. eek

Hmmm, personally I think that EMPIRE was not only a hugely successful sequel to the original Star Wars (and feels much less antiquated and "cute" today), but actually the best of all six SW entries, and by a wide margin, too. It embraced the serial philosophy much more than the first film, the family dynamics were intriguing ("I am your father" entered folklore), the special effects waaaayyyyyy better, too, the acting more assured, the score MUCH more interesting and colorful.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


(ex 2: the scenes on the Engineer ship in Prometheus that are basically a direct visual link to Alien even though it takes place on a different planet come across as very awkward to me)


I personally don't get why so many people have such difficulty to make that leap; Alien comes after Prometheus and the ship as shown in Alien on LV426 is a relic 'similar' to the type in Prometheus (seen fully operational there); Don't forget there are multiple ships in the facility shown in Prometheus and nowhere was it specified it is the same ship nor the same engineer but it would make sense the ships and the race look alike not? And since they can fly into space it is plausible they can go to different planets? The planet is irrevelant as the homeworld of the engineers is shown in neither movie but hopefully the next movie will. I personally think they did a good job of bringing to life what is basically a one scene set piece from 'Alien' (I don't think Giger thought that much ahead about the pilot nor did the writers).

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

All of the Jaws sequels.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ OnlyGoodMusic - Empire is a great movie for sure. But it doesn't recapture the "magic" of Star Wars. It's a completely different beast.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   Altamese   (Member)

Toy Story 3.

Loved Toy Story 1 and 2 - they are two of my favorite movies.

Toy Story 3 didn't make any sense, for all that I was in tears during the final two scenes at the end!

But why in the world would Molly not want these "family toys" for her own upcoming family, or Andy for his upcoming family. Instead his mom gives him the choice of keeping them or giving them away (at the beginning of the movie) and he actually has to think about it!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   razorback64   (Member)

The main two that I can think of are:

Cocoon:The Return

The Fly 2

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

Only one that is seared on my consciousness:

Highlander 2

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2013 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)


- Sequels that don't deliver on the promise of earlier films (ex: Final Destination, where the first sequel expanded impressively on the premise of the original, and then the second and third sequels didn't go anywhere with it and kept reiterating the same old)


One of my favourite movies of all time is Back to the Future. A wonderful stand alone film.

I found BTTF II to be a very disappointing sequel that had none of the heart of the original movie. I think a lot of the problems were caused by Crispin Glover not returning. The chemistry between George and Marty was great and I think the writers had to take the story in a different direction which just didn't work for me. Then BTTF III - while regaining some of the heart of the original - pretty much negated much of BTTF II.

I was more than happy to have Alan Silvestri return...and really - that's probably what I enjoy best about the sequels....more BTTF music.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2013 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)


(ex 2: the scenes on the Engineer ship in Prometheus that are basically a direct visual link to Alien even though it takes place on a different planet come across as very awkward to me)


I personally don't get why so many people have such difficulty to make that leap; Alien comes after Prometheus and the ship as shown in Alien on LV426 is a relic 'similar' to the type in Prometheus (seen fully operational there); Don't forget there are multiple ships in the facility shown in Prometheus and nowhere was it specified it is the same ship nor the same engineer but it would make sense the ships and the race look alike not? And since they can fly into space it is plausible they can go to different planets? The planet is irrevelant as the homeworld of the engineers is shown in neither movie but hopefully the next movie will. I personally think they did a good job of bringing to life what is basically a one scene set piece from 'Alien' (I don't think Giger thought that much ahead about the pilot nor did the writers).


It's not that I don't understand it, it's that it doesn't work for me. I know that there are multiple ships across multiple worlds. But the original set piece of the derelict with the space jockey and all is so iconic that to deploy virtually identical imagery in another film (and then have it actually be somewhere else) feels like a cheat to me as a viewer. Instead of feeling like a revelation (ah, so that's what this was in that other movie), it felt like an artifact of an earlier draft of the script that probably was set on LV-426. It may be nitpicky, it may be unreasonable, but that's the effect some of those shots had on me.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2013 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The Jack Ryan series. Hunt For Red October was a fabulous film. The series just wasn't the same without Alec Baldwin. He owns the part! Further more, the other stories just weren't "Hollywood material. I personally like films that set the stakes high, and are visually interesting.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2013 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


It's not that I don't understand it, it's that it doesn't work for me. I know that there are multiple ships across multiple worlds. But the original set piece of the derelict with the space jockey and all is so iconic that to deploy virtually identical imagery in another film (and then have it actually be somewhere else) feels like a cheat to me as a viewer. Instead of feeling like a revelation (ah, so that's what this was in that other movie), it felt like an artifact of an earlier draft of the script that probably was set on LV-426. It may be nitpicky, it may be unreasonable, but that's the effect some of those shots had on me.


Sorry for nitpicking here but I still don't get how identical imagery can feel like a cheat (especially when in the hands of the man who co-created said imagery), if it wasn't identical would it have been more credible? The film clearly sets up the ground rules, an early draft on LV-426 wouldn't have made sense for all those historical cultural similarities to point to LV-426 nor for any human activities there as then it would have been discovered and explored in-depth prior to Alien (remember that the ship in Alien was pulled off course by a distress call coming from the space jockey ship on that planet).

And did you react the same way when seeing the Star wars prequels (though I wouldn't blaim you there)? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2013 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

After the torture that was Batman Forever I promised myself I would never, ever, ever see Batman And Robin.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2013 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)

Really have to go with Mastadge here. It is a cheat not because it is another wrecked alien ship. It is a cheat because it looks exactly like the wreck from Alien. They look identical, so it is natural to assume it is indeed the same wreckage.

To then be told "Well it may look just like that other wreckage, but it is actually another wreckage that just happened to have crashed and came to a stop looking exactly like the original ship". It is asking too much.

I have the feeling, with absolutely nothing to back it up, that when the movie was filming this was the original wreck from Alien, which is why it looks just like the ship from Alien. But somewhere along the way, and for some reason known only to the production people, it was decided that it wasn't the same ship after all.

It's the same problem with the AbramsPrise. During filming the ship was designed originally to be a bit larger than the STTMP Enterprise. The saucer section is practically an exact match for TMP Enterprise. Everything is in scale. But somewhere along the way, Abrams decided that was too small and arbitrarily decided that his Enterprise was actually the size of the Enterprise E!

Resulting in all kinds of problems. The bridge viewport as shown from both the inside and the outside is one deck tall. But if the saucer is ten times larger, the viewport should be 5 stories tall. And that is just one tiny example of how the scale is off.

As with Prometheus, you can ask a lot of the audience, and they will go along. But there comes a point when it is just too ridiculous to accept.

 
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