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Just last month, ESPN anounced that it would discontinue it 3D cable channel by the end of the year. ESPN acknowledged in a statement that there was “limited viewer adoption of 3D services to the home.”
The BBC may soon reach a similar decision regarding its 3D broadcasting. "3D does cause people to switch off in its present form,” admitted Andy Quested, BBC’s head of 3D and HD. “About 20 percent of people find sports matches in 3D simply too long. Twenty-five percent of people are apathetic toward 3D viewing no matter the content. Another 10 percent can’t see 3D because of visual impairments, but arguably up to half the audience for 3D content is put off by having to wear glasses."
I've noticed that my eyes start bothering me about 90 minutes into most 3D movies. Broadcasters may wait for rumored glasses-free 3D to be perfected.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/future-3d-tv-why-espn-568445
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In a world where wearing glasses[regular ones] are most of the time not a first choice for the masses, it is understandable why 3d glasses, so inferior in comfort to the regular glasses would in the long run not go over for most people.
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Jul 5, 2013 - 7:10 PM
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Pardon me copying/pasting from something I wrote on another thread....but...
Good 3D (for me): Captain America, Avengers, Green Lantern, Avatar, Amazing Spider-Man, Jurassic Park, Life of Pi, Tangled, Clash of the Titans, Jackass 3D, Prometheus, Dredd
Bad 3D (for me): Thor, Iron Man 3, Saw VII, Abraham Lincoln - Vampire Hunter, Sanctum, Wrath of the Titans, Three Musketeers
To the GOOD 3D list I would now add Piranha 3D, TRON: Legacy, Despicable Me, Top Gun, Man of Steel, and Star Trek Into Darkness
TO the BAD 3D list I would now also add Shark Night, Piranha 3DD.
I didn't go into any detail as to why I thought the Good ones were good, or the bad ones bad...but seems to be related to just how much it is treated as a gimmick rather than a tool...I also don't claim to judge the quality of any of the actual films on this list - just the use of 3D....and then only in my humble, honest opinion.
EDIT - should also add - I found the 3D in "Avatar - The Game" quite effective (on XBox 360).
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Jul 5, 2013 - 11:52 PM
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Cooper
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TO the BAD 3D list I would now also add Shark Night...
I actually enjoyed Shark Night sans 3D on home video, the lack of the third dimension owing to the North American market being completely bypassed for a 3D Blu-ray release of the movie. I was stunned to find that with mega budget affairs like Star Trek: Into Darkness and Iron Man 3 being post-converted, Shark Night was actually lensed in the format. What gives, Paramount? Are you going to let David--"Snakes On A Plane"--Ellis' taut lil' PG-13 Shark thriller show you up on the native 3D front? It would seem so.
Viewers' mileage with the quality of the 3D seems to vary with those who've seen the 3D Blu available in other regions, but I'd like a chance to rest my own peepers on a copy here in the states. And what better way to honor the late Mr. Ellis than a belated 3D release of his last film, eh 20th Century Fox? DO NOT shame The Ellis Estate! I have had enough of you em effin' studio snakes making my em effin' Blu-ray lame! I mean, if the bikini-clad Sarah Paxton is worth shooting in 3D, she's worthy of a 3D Blu too!
Otherwise, what's a lad to do? Get the Hong Kong special (only disk with Region A compatibility, as far as I know...)?
Other recommendations:
Resident Evil: Afterlife
Resident Evil: Retribution
(both devised for and shot in 3D, and it shows; immersive, dimensional bliss)
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Jul 6, 2013 - 6:35 AM
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Francis
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Pardon me copying/pasting from something I wrote on another thread....but...
Good 3D (for me): Captain America, Avengers, Green Lantern, Avatar, Amazing Spider-Man, Jurassic Park, Life of Pi, Tangled, Clash of the Titans, Jackass 3D, Prometheus, Dredd
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To the GOOD 3D list I would now add Piranha 3D, TRON: Legacy, Despicable Me, Top Gun, Man of Steel, and Star Trek Into Darkness
Some good titles, forgot about Jackass 3D xD. Most of them are pricey though so I'm waiting for some of the more popular titles to drop in price on blu-ray. Prometheus and Avatar I will get eventually. Also Piranha 3D, loved that one  .
Other recommendations:
Resident Evil: Afterlife
Resident Evil: Retribution
(both devised for and shot in 3D, and it shows; immersive, dimensional bliss)
Are they any good? I thought the first was barely ok, the sequel terrible though. Didn't see any of the newer ones.
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Many of the IMAX 3-D documentaries have amazing 3-D. I've got Deep Sea, Under the Sea, and Hubble 3-D; and they're all great. The seperation is also much more extreme on these, which I think contributes to the stronger-than-usual 3-D effect. I've read they were done this way due to the original viewing format having such a huge screen, but whatever the reason the effect on a home 3-D setup is really outstanding.
A few other good examples of live-action 3-D are 2011's Fright Night, Bait, Hugo, Promthetus, TRON: Legacy, Flying Swords of Dragon Gate, and Final Destination 5 & 6 (the sixth simply being called 'The Final Destination'). Personally, I don't really care for any of the conversions I've seen, not even the ones that are supposedly better, like The Avengers.
For animated films (there are a lot more of these), about the only time I'd ever give the advice to mostly avoid Pixar is to someone looking for strong examples of 3-D. Toy Story 3 and Cars 2 are their only films that I think are particularly impressive in this regard. Disney does much better with entries like Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, and Tangled. Others with really impressive 3-D have been Despicable Me (and its sequel, which I saw on Wednesday Night), Ice Age 3 (but not 4), Kung Fu Panda 2, Coraline, Puss in Boots, The Adventures of Tintin and Rise of the Guardians.
I actually enjoyed Shark Night sans 3D on home video, the lack of the third dimension owing to the North American market being completely bypassed for a 3D Blu-ray release of the movie. I was stunned to find that with mega budget affairs like Star Trek: Into Darkness and Iron Man 3 being post-converted, Shark Night was actually lensed in the format. What gives, Paramount? Are you going to let David--"Snakes On A Plane"--Ellis' taut lil' PG-13 Shark thriller show you up on the native 3D front? It would seem so.
Shooting a low-budget horror flick like Shark Night or Bait (also pretty cheesy but enjoyable) in native 3-D is probably much less expensive than converting, especially now that shooting is 100% digital and you don't have to worry about buying twice the film stock. Converting a film could cost anywhere from $50-100,000 per minute of footage, depending on the strength of the stereoscopic effect you want in a particular scene. For bigger films, maybe there would be so many more cameras and additional equipment necessary for native shooting that it ends up being cheaper to just ship it off to conversion, I honestly don't know... but I've really never been pleased with the results of any conversion. Even the film with the best conversion work I've seen (Alice in Wonderland) didn't come close to what natively shot 3-D can accomplish. It was also a god-awful film in its own right, so few will probably ever see it again, anyway.
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Jul 6, 2013 - 4:54 PM
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Mr Greg
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Many of the IMAX 3-D documentaries have amazing 3-D. I've got Deep Sea, Under the Sea, and Hubble 3-D; and they're all great. The seperation is also much more extreme on these, which I think contributes to the stronger-than-usual 3-D effect. I've read they were done this way due to the original viewing format having such a huge screen, but whatever the reason the effect on a home 3-D setup is really outstanding.
A few other good examples of live-action 3-D are 2011's Fright Night, Bait, Hugo, Promthetus, TRON: Legacy, Flying Swords of Dragon Gate, and Final Destination 5 & 6 (the sixth simply being called 'The Final Destination'). Personally, I don't really care for any of the conversions I've seen, not even the ones that are supposedly better, like The Avengers.
Never thought about having a look at those IMAX docs....hmmmm....time for a hunt!
I had forgotten about Fright Night - that was pretty good too....and Bait! How could I forget Bait!!!??
Oh - and - just splitting hairs, but "The Final Destination" was number four.,...there hasn't been a sixth.....yet....
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Jul 6, 2013 - 10:45 PM
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Cooper
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Other recommendations:
Resident Evil: Afterlife
Resident Evil: Retribution
(both devised for and shot in 3D, and it shows; immersive, dimensional bliss)
Are they any good? I thought the first was barely ok, the sequel terrible though. Didn't see any of the newer ones.
Well, if you can enjoy the Resident Evil films as stylish, visceral, technically proficient exercises in Milla Jovovich shepherded zombie stomp-o-rama, then you'll have a blast, especially in 3D. Style here is substance, and with Paul Anderson--who directed the first film--back for 'Afterlife' and 'Retribution,' both concluding chapters--with another on the way--enjoy a bump in overall polish. Anderson's an advocate of shooting in native 3D, and he invested a lot of care in implementing the technology to great effect. I've revisited each repeatedly, because they keep yielding mo' sensory fun.
But: If you're lukewarm on the Resident Evil you've seen so far, Milla Jovovich, The Cinema of Paul Anderson...and happen to be averse to light on narrative, style as substance filmmaking in the zombie genre...I'm not sure if even excellent 3D would be enough to warrant a purchase or even a rental. If you do put a premium on strong 3D, though, it's a pretty sure bet...
Has anyone seen the 3D Blu of Jackson's "The Hobbit"?
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Jul 6, 2013 - 11:25 PM
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Cooper
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Shooting a low-budget horror flick like Shark Night or Bait (also pretty cheesy but enjoyable) in native 3-D is probably much less expensive than converting, especially now that shooting is 100% digital and you don't have to worry about buying twice the film stock. Converting a film could cost anywhere from $50-100,000 per minute of footage, depending on the strength of the stereoscopic effect you want in a particular scene. For bigger films, maybe there would be so many more cameras and additional equipment necessary for native shooting that it ends up being cheaper to just ship it off to conversion, I honestly don't know... but I've really never been pleased with the results of any conversion. Even the film with the best conversion work I've seen (Alice in Wonderland) didn't come close to what natively shot 3-D can accomplish. It was also a god-awful film in its own right, so few will probably ever see it again, anyway.
It does sound like more elaborate films--with their additional units, cameras and effects--could mean more elaborate headaches when shooting in native 3D.
I think I read somewhere that Alice was actually a hybrid production, with effects elements rendered in 3D...while the live action footage was shot traditionally. Conversion can sometimes create an interesting illusion, but I agree: it just doesn't put you in the film, positionally, like actual stereoscopic photography can.
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Jun 27, 2014 - 11:45 PM
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Cooper
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Recently acquired some 3D titles through an amazon sale; haven't bothered with 3D much in the last months, but some titles to add to the collection:
Fright Night (remake): I got the 2D/3D combo and easily the worst looking 3D movie I own. I like the movie but will stick to the 2D version.
Paranorman: nice stop motion animation but I feel it comes across better in 2D than it does in 3D.
Star Trek into Darkness: for a post-conversion it looks amazing, the movie really lends itself to 3D with lots of debree and objects forefront and background, creating nice depth. Almost looks as convincing as a native shot 3D movie.
G.I. Joe Retaliation: still need to see this, also post-conversion. Bit disappointed this didn't include the extended cut, but I wanted to get the 3D version.
Agreed on Into Darkness: A really seamless conversion with no feeling of pop-up bookery. I think I'd even give it the edge over Pacific Rim; also a solid conversion and recommended...but the 2D elements--I understand the effects were rendered in 3D--didn't feel as naturally dimensional as what they managed with Star Trek. I'd still prefer natively shot 3D, but this was the next best thing.
I saw you also ponied up for Aja's Piranha 3D at the bargain price. Curious to know what you think of it. I looked at it again the other night, and I can't suss out what the deal is. It's problematic: Objects leave trails (also visible in 2D), borders aren't clean. Maybe it owes to P3D being an early conversion; I don't know. Overall it fails to convince outside of the odd gag. Maybe it doesn't matter with this one; a more ragged job on the conversion seems apropos? Worth getting however one slices it: unhinged, grindhouse specials this gonzo need to be celebrated with the tribute of purchase.
But when a natively shot slasher like "My Bloody Valentine 3D" (2009) blows it out of the water in the 3D department, one wonders why they couldn't have just shot natively. It's true: I could no longer ignore Amazon's killer, $7.50 discount after reading MBV3D actually delivers the aggressive, natively shot 3D goods...and ponied up for a copy. I was pleasantly surprised: pretty much every shot offers uncommonly immersive depth, occasionally showcasing some nicely projecting in your face-ness in the form of whatever lethal implement is in play. Let the title be your tip-off as to whether this is your kind of thing; it is serviceable as a film and entertainment in its genre. Pretty good fun, and well worth the risk of being deemed a drink coaster at this price for some demo-worthy 3D. Be sure any copy you're looking at is clearly identified as the "Blu-ray 3D" version and sports that logo, because there was an older red/green anaglyph edition that came with glasses that's to be avoided.
Some other honorable mentions:
Underworld: Afterlife. Slight and short, as Underworlds go, but makes up for it with Her Beckinsaleness in a very handsome, midnight moody 3D wonderland. Natively shot.
Sam Raimi's "Oz: The Great And Powerful." Spatial bliss in Killer Clown Color (no clowns actually in the movie, mind you). You'll be over the 3D rainbow. I got it as a gift, Disney's prices are criminal. But one to keep in mind. Also natively shot.
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Jun 28, 2014 - 1:00 AM
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Francis
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Agreed on Into Darkness: A really seamless conversion with no feeling of pop-up bookery. I think I'd even give it the edge over Pacific Rim; also a solid conversion and recommended...
I was impressed with Pacific Rim (2D), so will definitely purchase the 3D version!
I saw you also ponied up for Aja's Piranha 3D at the bargain price. Curious to know what you think of it.
I wouldn't call it problematic, just a tad underwhelming. The movie benefits from having a lot of daylight sequences and like you say most of it is limited to 3D gags, but for a low budget affair like Piranha 3D, it was ok for me. Another one I see I haven't mentioned is "Ghost Rider 2", which to me felt like a flat 3D movie, barely noticeable.
3D for me suffers the most with dark movies (perhaps because I watch via beamer, I'm sure a TV set will be slightly better), "Fright Night"s detail drowned in muddiness during the night scenes, I also got "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D" which for me managed to look decent considering most of the movie plays out at night or in dark hallways and corridors. It was native shot so that helped I guess. I saw My Bloody Valentine at the BIFFF festival regular version, if I come across it dirt cheap or combo I might get the 3D one.
Sam Raimi's "Oz: The Great And Powerful." Spatial bliss in Killer Clown Color (no clowns actually in the movie, mind you). You'll be over the 3D rainbow. I got it as a gift, Disney's prices are criminal. But one to keep in mind. Also natively shot.
Been meaning to check out Oz, will add to the wish list. 
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